sadoldgit

The thing is though that not everyone will think of them as a bit of a knobber and laugh at them. To a great many people they are seen as heroes and martyrs and we play into their hands when we don't take them seriously. We may think they are being humiliated but there are plenty of people who will be looking to avenge what we have done with yet more plots to kill innocent people. All we are doing is perpetuating the circle. At some point both sides are going to have to sit down and reach a compromise. All conflicts end with talks. It is just a question of how many more people have to die before we reach that stage.

I don't agree with censorship either but there is such a thing as common decency and most of the media have handled the news in a serious and respectful manner. You are right, The Sun will be talked about because it is doing what it does when it signs up people like Katie Hopkins. It is attention seeking. It is just a shame that the attention it gets doesn't see it go the way of the News of the World.

The situation with Brooks is just sticking the finger up by Murdoch. He has been talking the p*ss out of us for years and this is just another example of how he does it his way and doesn't give a sh*t about anything else. Sadly most of his customers don't get it until he comes out and trashes them directly, as he did with the population of Liverpool.

If something is illegal then it is only right and proper that whoever committed the illegal act is brought to book over it. We do not have capital punishment in this country and there is a basic rule - innocent until proven guilty. Were these "terrorists" given a fair trial and found guilty? Is now the PM the sole arbiter of who we can kill and who we cant? No one is taking the side of someone who commits a terrorist act. By my understanding neither of these characters had. Is it beyond our capability to bring these characters back and give them a proper, fair trial? We all know now that the whole weapons of mass destruction thing was b*ll*cks. Are you happy to believe Dave where he tells you these guys needed to die? Where is the evidence? I see you would shoot anyone spreading the message of ISIS - so much for freedom of speech too. Isnt it better that we enter dialogue and try to come to some kind of understanding with people who don't agree with the way that we live rather than continually killing each other?

How do you determine a players' worth? A player is only worth what someone is prepared to pay for him. Shane Long may not be "worth" £12m but he was to SFC who agreed to pay that price for him. Whether you are getting value for money is a different issue.

Sums it all up very nicely. This should be posted on their forum.

You really are a silly old Batman, aren't you.

I don't think they would do so just from reading one Sun headline, but it is the sort of thing that can add fuel to the fire. And I know that many people treat The Sun as a joke, but there are also who take this sh*t seriously, and that is the problem. They play to the lowest common denominator and they do get listened to, sadly.

They seem to hate their own chairman more than we do though!

It is more then just a tasteless headline though isn't it? It could stir up more hatred against us and help recruit more susceptible people to IS. The covert taking out of terrorists is one thing, taking the p*ss on the front of a national newspaper another.

Perhaps you are right. You approve of the front page then?

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The Sun's headline following the death by drone strike of two British Jihadis. Not too dissimilar to the "Gotcha" headline when the Belgrano was sunk. I have no sympathy for terrorists and they get what they deserve but they are still human beings and to announce their deaths with comic book headlines is just another depth plumbing attempt by The Sun to ingratiate itself with White Van Man. If it isn't enough to have to live with the shame of what their kin had done or planned to do, to have to deal with this fatuous headline must be heartbreaking for the family and loved ones of these people.

Only been to WHL twice, both times with a Spuds supporting mate. The first time we were first in the ground and found a decent vantage point on the half way line. About 10 mins later this oik came up and told us to f**k off as that was his spot. Next time we went we were jumped on by a bunch of kids who nicked my mates Spuds scarf and swung a few punches at us. Another time he went with a Palace supporting mate and this guy ended up getting a smack in the mouth despite being with a Spuds supporter. Nasty supporters, nasty club who live on past glories.

Our rivals are everyone who plays in the Premiership. We compete with them for points and we compete with them for players.

Interesting conspiracy theory. It is a shame Pap isn't here for this one! Once Ramsey had decided on 4-3-3 and the use of Cohen and Wilson as overlapping full backs, the wingers were finished at that level, as was Terry Paine. The debate about the third goal will go on forever but I am not sure where you get random goals from? There was no problem with the rest of them. If it was fixed why did Germany press so hard and get that late equaliser? I think you are probably the only person who thinks that the WC of 1966 was fixed.

It seemed like a good idea at the time to rest Charlton in that heat, but I bet Ramsey had nightmares about that substitution from that point on.

I don't think Hansen ever said he was rubbish, just that he didn't have a footballing brain. There is a difference.

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Was one of them Toby Alderweireld?

Bummer. I was hoping you were going to say that you got the job and married the girl in the flat. Whatever happened to happy endings?

Pugwash

I didn't say that he didn't go on to improve did I? And I would give more credence to what Arsenal fans and Alan Hansen have to say about him than a caped crusader From what I recall he used to be pulled up for, after getting himself in a good position through his pace, then choosing the wrong option. I even remember Saints fans saying the same thing many years ago.

By the way, Alan Hansen said a few years ago that he didn't think that Theo Walcott had a "footballing brain" and although he has since said that Walcott has proved him wrong, he wouldnt have said it at the time if he didn't think that Walcott had some playing issues.

Charlton will always have achieved more than Rooney because he won a World Cup. Unless something very strange happens I cant see Rooney emulating that feat.