Saganowski not in Stoke squad

[thefuriousb]

If we were't losing £17m before player trading from last year then selling all the family silver would not be the best idea ever made.

 

However, the reduction in the wage bill by shifting JV, Safri, Wright, Idiakez & Licka has not made much of a dent on the monthly overheads.

 

Making available the remaining high earners, who with the exception of Skacel, have little sell on value (certainly in comparison to their salary) in order to rein in these costs is a necessity if not also a sensible measure.

 

Of the 5 (Saga, Rasiak, John, Euell, Skacel) I would think we need to find ways of off-loading 3, may be 4, of those above.

 

We do not have another Jones, Bale or Walcott (not yet anyway) to negate the need to have to lose some or most of the high earners.

 

I am pretty certain the bank would not accept another year of losing £17m before trading and certainly not if we do little or nowt about reducing that figure.

[alpine_saint]

If we were't losing £17m before player trading from last year then selling all the family silver would not be the best idea ever made.

 

However, the reduction in the wage bill by shifting JV, Safri, Wright, Idiakez & Licka has not made much of a dent on the monthly overheads.

 

Making available the remaining high earners, who with the exception of Skacel, have little sell on value (certainly in comparison to their salary) in order to rein in these costs is a necessity if not also a sensible measure.

 

Of the 5 (Saga, Rasiak, John, Euell, Skacel) I would think we need to find ways of off-loading 3, may be 4, of those above.

 

We do not have another Jones, Bale or Walcott (not yet anyway) to negate the need to have to lose some or most of the high earners.

 

I am pretty certain the bank would not accept another year of losing £17m before trading and certainly not if we do little or nowt about reducing that figure.

 

How do you suggest we force Skacel to take a pay cut to go to Ipswich ?

[thefuriousb]

How do you suggest we force Skacel to take a pay cut to go to Ipswich ?

 

I never suggested we could (but just accepting we are stuck paying the wages is not the answer).

 

It does highlight the folly of paying players higher than average CCC wages mind.

[Wes Tender]

I never suggested we could (but just accepting we are stuck paying the wages is not the answer).

 

It does highlight the folly of paying players higher than average CCC wages mind.

Paying a player higher than average wages is only a folly if that player does not play at a higher standard than the average fizzy pop league player. As with all things, the better the quality, the more you have to pay for it generally. If we paid higher wages and got a team full of quality that propelled us up to the Premiership automatically, then that would be money invested in the team well. If higher wages were paid and the team struggled to gain an average mid table position or lower, that would be a waste.

[thefuriousb]

Paying a player higher than average wages is only a folly if that player does not play at a higher standard than the average fizzy pop league player. As with all things, the better the quality, the more you have to pay for it generally. If we paid higher wages and got a team full of quality that propelled us up to the Premiership automatically, then that would be money invested in the team well. If higher wages were paid and the team struggled to gain an average mid table position or lower, that would be a waste.

 

And did we not do just that last season?

 

At your own admission, higher wages were therefore a waste. The cost of which was almost catastrophic.

[Wes Tender]

And did we not do just that last season?

 

At your own admission, higher wages were therefore a waste. The cost of which was almost catastrophic.

 

You're half right in that conclusion IMO. Yes, there were players who were probably paid more than they needed to be, but likewise there were players deserving of their pay at that level. If John or Raziak thump in 20 goals in a season, nobody will convince me that they are not worth above average pay for this division, as that is a performance level well above average for this division.

 

But nobody knows at the beginning of the season what a player will achieve. The older players bought in command a price commensurate with their reputation of fulfilling a particular role. If they don't achieve that potential for whatever reason, that is not even conclusively their fault. They might have suffered injuries, been played out of position, not have received service from their team mates, etc. But then if they are put up for sale, they might be deemed to be overpriced on the basis of their failure to live up to expectations. That is why we got Lee Holmes on the cheap, incidentally.