Rocker268 Posted 17 November, 2008 Share Posted 17 November, 2008 I had an idea about ticket prices, as the club does not want to lower the price of tickets, how about X amount from ticket income every week went to pay certain players wages, such as John, Saga, Rasiak etc or to bring in a new player such as a CB on loan. The club could easily do this by putting a form in the back of a programme with free post so fans can vote which player they would either like to bring back from loan, or fill a position with a new loanee. This would have several positives: it would make fans feel they are slightly reconnected with the club, possibly appease those annoyed at the high ticket prices, and allow us to strengthen the squad without the club spending more money as it would be £1 or so off of every ticket. It may also boost programme sales. Just a thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exit2 Posted 17 November, 2008 Share Posted 17 November, 2008 Problem is that the Barlcays wouldnt accept this. The break even figure was set at an attendance of 17k I think, but that was with conditions such as Skacel, Rasiak and Euall off the pay roll. With 2 of them still here I think the break even figure is approx 22,000. Any extra monies coming in would go to the bank and not players Im afraid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 17 November, 2008 Share Posted 17 November, 2008 I had an idea about ticket prices, as the club does not want to lower the price of tickets, how about X amount from ticket income every week went to pay certain players wages, such as John, Saga, Rasiak etc or to bring in a new player such as a CB on loan. The club could easily do this by putting a form in the back of a programme with free post so fans can vote which player they would either like to bring back from loan, or fill a position with a new loanee. This would have several positives: it would make fans feel they are slightly reconnected with the club, possibly appease those annoyed at the high ticket prices, and allow us to strengthen the squad without the club spending more money as it would be £1 or so off of every ticket. It may also boost programme sales. Just a thought But the ticket income does pay players wages, in fact there isn't enough to pay them already. I really don't quite see what your point is. If we had more ticket income,well I guess we'd pay better players.The answer is simple, if you want to pay "high earners" well more people have to go to the game every home game.If 30000 went instead of say 16000 we'd have 14000x20£x23 ie 6.44 million more in the kitty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 17 November, 2008 Share Posted 17 November, 2008 No way I want fans involved in team selection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 17 November, 2008 Share Posted 17 November, 2008 No way I want fans involved in team selection. Oh was that the point then. Fans say who their ticket money should pay. Right got that,so then we wouldn't need a manager or a board really. Just the fans voting on Thursday for who should play on Saturday.Sounds very similar to the selection policy of the Sunday League team at the Bitterne Park Hotel.We didn't have a manager either, just a committee made up of whoever was there on Thursday evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanh Posted 17 November, 2008 Share Posted 17 November, 2008 But the ticket income does pay players wages, in fact there isn't enough to pay them already. I really don't quite see what your point is. If we had more ticket income,well I guess we'd pay better players.The answer is simple, if you want to pay "high earners" well more people have to go to the game every home game.If 30000 went instead of say 16000 we'd have 14000x20£x23 ie 6.44 million more in the kitty. ...and that £6.44M equates to £124k a week - more than enough to pay for Rasiak, Skacel, Saga, John, Euell, Davis, etc and still have enough left over to pay the bank. It just shows how, now that we are pretty much entirely dependent on ticket revenue, we, the fans have the ability to directly influence the team available for selection. Obviously people have loads of different reasons to not go, from politically motivated to apathy, but if it were possible to persuade them to return we would have the financial clout to compete strongly in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 17 November, 2008 Share Posted 17 November, 2008 ...and that £6.44M equates to £124k a week - more than enough to pay for Rasiak, Skacel, Saga, John, Euell, Davis, etc and still have enough left over to pay the bank. It just shows how, now that we are pretty much entirely dependent on ticket revenue, we, the fans have the ability to directly influence the team available for selection. Obviously people have loads of different reasons to not go, from politically motivated to apathy, but if it were possible to persuade them to return we would have the financial clout to compete strongly in this league. Yes but in order to "invest" in players with elevated salaries the club needs a guarantee from the faithful that they will in fact turn up, ie season tickets So with what 9500 or so season tickets sold and the rest on a walk up if I feel like it or can be arsed basis we have what we deserve, a lowly paid budget team who are doing as best as they can.When ST sales dropped by 4000 this year (guaranteed revenue of about 2 million I suppose) well you could bet your old boots that guaranteed outgoings (player salaries) will follow suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker268 Posted 17 November, 2008 Author Share Posted 17 November, 2008 Oh was that the point then. Fans say who their ticket money should pay. Right got that,so then we wouldn't need a manager or a board really. Just the fans voting on Thursday for who should play on Saturday.Sounds very similar to the selection policy of the Sunday League team at the Bitterne Park Hotel.We didn't have a manager either, just a committee made up of whoever was there on Thursday evening. It wasnt the meant as the fans pick who play, it was just a way of posisbly slecting one of the players people feel we need to bring back to the club. It was also meant as an alternative to lowering ticket prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 17 November, 2008 Share Posted 17 November, 2008 It wasnt the meant as the fans pick who play, it was just a way of posisbly slecting one of the players people feel we need to bring back to the club. It was also meant as an alternative to lowering ticket prices. Sounds like the Peoples Front of Judea, football doesn't work that way. You pay your money (or not) and watch what is on offer. When you go to the Gaumont (or whatever) to watch a group or a pantomime, you don't get any say in who is in the group or the cast. When you buy a book, you don't get to give the author your opinion before he writes it. You pay your money and don't take your choice. Football management is not a Greek Democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 17 November, 2008 Share Posted 17 November, 2008 Why not copy the idea of myfootballclub.com who bought Ebbsfleet. But instead of buying a club, buy a player Tevez stylee and then loan him to the club. Then sell him next year to Chelsea for £50 million. (or more) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 17 November, 2008 Share Posted 17 November, 2008 Yes but in order to "invest" in players with elevated salaries the club needs a guarantee from the faithful that they will in fact turn up, ie season tickets So with what 9500 or so season tickets sold and the rest on a walk up if I feel like it or can be arsed basis we have what we deserve, a lowly paid budget team who are doing as best as they can.When ST sales dropped by 4000 this year (guaranteed revenue of about 2 million I suppose) well you could bet your old boots that guaranteed outgoings (player salaries) will follow suit. Aha, the old dull accountant's way of looking at business. How about being inspirational and growing your revenues, producing a product that people will buy, tempt them in to parting with their money with a promise that they will get value for money and then deliver on that promise. Grow some spirit, enegender a good relationship with the community, employ people with empathy towards the fan base, let's creat a spirit where we are all behind the cause. Nah, let's just say we've only got 9,000 mugs this season, let's cut to the bone, make do with what we've got, beg steal and borrow elsewhere and if results are rubbish and fans stay away, we'll just cut again, and if that diminishes the product and results are rubbish and fans stay away, then we'll just cut again, and if that diminished the product and results suffer and fans stay away, then we'll just cut again. The problem is that I fear your way of thinking and mindset is what is driving this Club at the moment. There is no inspirational leadership at the Club, no community spirit and no one who we can rally behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanh Posted 17 November, 2008 Share Posted 17 November, 2008 Yes but in order to "invest" in players with elevated salaries the club needs a guarantee from the faithful that they will in fact turn up, ie season tickets So with what 9500 or so season tickets sold and the rest on a walk up if I feel like it or can be arsed basis we have what we deserve, a lowly paid budget team who are doing as best as they can.When ST sales dropped by 4000 this year (guaranteed revenue of about 2 million I suppose) well you could bet your old boots that guaranteed outgoings (player salaries) will follow suit. I agree completely. Even if we had another 7500 season ticket holders to generate an additional £43K per week we could afford a fair few of those players. The biggest concern about potential relegation is a further collapse in the crowd numbers. When Man City went down they still pulled in 30 odd thousand every game so maintained the revenue stream to be able to pay for players way above the regular quality of League 1. Leeds are also maintaining a fan base to generate revenues despite their problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 17 November, 2008 Share Posted 17 November, 2008 Aha, the old dull accountant's way of looking at business. How about being inspirational and growing your revenues, producing a product that people will buy, tempt them in to parting with their money with a promise that they will get value for money and then deliver on that promise. Grow some spirit, enegender a good relationship with the community, employ people with empathy towards the fan base, let's creat a spirit where we are all behind the cause. Nah, let's just say we've only got 9,000 mugs this season, let's cut to the bone, make do with what we've got, beg steal and borrow elsewhere and if results are rubbish and fans stay away, we'll just cut again, and if that diminishes the product and results are rubbish and fans stay away, then we'll just cut again, and if that diminished the product and results suffer and fans stay away, then we'll just cut again. The problem is that I fear your way of thinking and mindset is what is driving this Club at the moment. There is no inspirational leadership at the Club, no community spirit and no one who we can rally behind. Unfortunately for the last 2 seasons (and especially last season) we spent above what we could afford, and we are now in the financial sh*t. We have to become a viable business first up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 17 November, 2008 Share Posted 17 November, 2008 Aha, the old dull accountant's way of looking at business. How about being inspirational and growing your revenues, producing a product that people will buy, tempt them in to parting with their money with a promise that they will get value for money and then deliver on that promise. Grow some spirit, enegender a good relationship with the community, employ people with empathy towards the fan base, let's creat a spirit where we are all behind the cause. Nah, let's just say we've only got 9,000 mugs this season, let's cut to the bone, make do with what we've got, beg steal and borrow elsewhere and if results are rubbish and fans stay away, we'll just cut again, and if that diminishes the product and results are rubbish and fans stay away, then we'll just cut again, and if that diminished the product and results suffer and fans stay away, then we'll just cut again. The problem is that I fear your way of thinking and mindset is what is driving this Club at the moment. There is no inspirational leadership at the Club, no community spirit and no one who we can rally behind. Dull accountant indeed!! I'm a mad scientist.Even we are subjected to budgetary restraints you know.Mind you there was some Australian who got a grant to study Shark Sh!t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 17 November, 2008 Share Posted 17 November, 2008 I agree completely. Even if we had another 7500 season ticket holders to generate an additional £43K per week we could afford a fair few of those players. The biggest concern about potential relegation is a further collapse in the crowd numbers. When Man City went down they still pulled in 30 odd thousand every game so maintained the revenue stream to be able to pay for players way above the regular quality of League 1. Leeds are also maintaining a fan base to generate revenues despite their problems. and both had owners who put their hands in their pockets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 17 November, 2008 Share Posted 17 November, 2008 Unfortunately for the last 2 seasons (and especially last season) we spent above what we could afford, and we are now in the financial sh*t. We have to become a viable business first up. I'm all up for being as viable as is possible in this league, I'm all up for cutbacks in non essential areas and I'm all up for some difficult decisions. But any fool can just go in and cut out the biggest costs. What makes an inspirational, clever and respected leader is someone who makes the cuts that don't damage the core business, fights tooth and nail to keep hold of the essential revenue drivers and keeps the assets that will ensure customers still come through the doors. Otherwise you will just go on and on in one downward spiral of a death by a thousand cuts. Supporters need to believe there is something in it for them, but Lowe and Wilde have failed to get that key message across, or if they have tried, very few have bought in to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 17 November, 2008 Share Posted 17 November, 2008 and both had owners who put their hands in their pockets Putting your hand in your pocket is indeed a noble gesture. Unfortunately if there's nothing in the said pocket it becomes pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 17 November, 2008 Share Posted 17 November, 2008 Putting your hand in your pocket is indeed a noble gesture. Unfortunately if there's nothing in the said pocket it becomes pointless. point is we are compared to Leeds and Man City during their troubles but their owners funded the businesses like many private companies do. We are a PLC when times are hard but were run as a Private Company by basically the same owners we had in 97 plus Lowe and Cowen. People who thought they could make a killing at running a football club by big salaries and dividends. I asked yesterday "Are our Finances the Worst in the CCC" because i am not convinced they are, still a few more home defeats and the company will be BUST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronCitySaint Posted 17 November, 2008 Share Posted 17 November, 2008 No way I want fans involved in team selection. Too right. We should leave that to the chairman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 17 November, 2008 Share Posted 17 November, 2008 still a few more home defeats and the company will be BUST Probably not actually, I mean we might go bust but more home defeats probably won't accelerate that; We are down to core support anyway. Had a bit of a blip on Saturday because there were a few Wolves fans there. some people will go anyway. I did back in the 60's,70's and 80's, moaned about getting beaten of course but I was "core support".Now David Luker said in an interview with Nick I that the break even figure was 17K, so we've been over that a couple of times. Other times when we haven't we've been on TV, I think we get about 70K for that, equivalent to another 3500 bums on seats in the stadium. Next season there is some more generalised TV appearance money on tap I think, did I hear a figure of about 3.5 million per CCC club? That's jackpot payola really, if it's guaranteed to all those in the CCC in 2009/2010 you can bet yer old boots we"ll be there, by hook or by crook;As long as we stay in 21st place or better there is no great cause for alarm as yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 17 November, 2008 Share Posted 17 November, 2008 No way I want fans involved in team selection. No leave it to the Hockey playing,rugby watching, duck shooting Director of Football - most people in the ground have forgotton more about football than tht DOF knows - so for god sake don't give us a say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 17 November, 2008 Share Posted 17 November, 2008 No leave it to the Hockey playing,rugby watching, duck shooting Director of Football - most people in the ground have forgotton more about football than tht DOF knows - so for god sake don't give us a say! Maybe we're all wrong about Lowe's credentials. "They still say that I went to a football match for the first time six months before I joined Southampton. Incorrect. I used to go with friends regularly to watch Ipswich Town, although as a boy I supported West Ham. I played football at the Dragon School in Oxford. And I remember being very keen on my Soccer Stars album. When you bought stuff from the school tuck shop you got the stickers." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amesbury Saint Posted 18 November, 2008 Share Posted 18 November, 2008 There is no inspirational leadership at the Club, no community spirit and no one who we can rally behind. Absolutely correct. Leadership can be found in a Chairman, or manager or high profile player. We have none and too many home defeats. Hence people do not go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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