Fabrice29

Yeah, cool. I’m just asking a question fella.

We had 3 managers the players supposedly disliked the last time we were in this league and got relegated.

What stat is this last one out of interest please? Stats I’ve seen have us down around mid table for shots, shots on target, XG, etc across the whole league. Are you just referring to goals scored?

If we keep giving the ball away on the edge of our box we will lose lots of games, yes. That isn't "his way though" and there is no "way" that guarantees we don't lose lots of games at this level in our first season back.

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Looking at the results under Adkins you can see us shipping goals for fun right from the start and it wasn't until November that we started to get a grip of things and get consistent results. Didn't really have an issue scoring goals which might be a difference but I suspect having some players who went on to represent England in our attack helped with that. Almost as if a bit of patience is required.

Hate to go all Twitter community notes on you but for full clarity…the brand of football does work at this level for others and it absolutely did work at another level for us last year.

I think we’ve got a better chance of beating Ipswich this year than we did Wolves and Forest last time. But I don’t know if we will or not, obviously. And if we don’t, I don’t think we should panic and through everything out the window like we did last time, because that caused more damage than good.

I don’t need reminding, I’m just thinking maybe 3 out of 38 games isn’t enough to judge someone on? As I’ve stated on another thread Bournemouth went 10 games last year without winning and were fine. This idea that 3 games and you can make such wild conclusions is nuts. Maybe..just like last season…the start of the season is…just the start? and maybe…just like last season…we’ll get better and might stop giving the ball away outside our box… Or maybe not of course. Or maybe we do and we still go down. I’m not sure I know, obviously you do so you’re much better at this stuff than me, but then again…I’ve no doubt you said the same this time last season and my point is you were wrong then too.

Agreed. That was my point. ‘ I really hate the way they ask me to play and they have told me it will be the same way again this year…anyway…where do I sign?’

We were piss poor. Disorganised, switching between 3 ways of playing because we had 3 different managers and spent the whole season off the field reacting to fan pressure and general narrative which led to being a mess, under coached and broken on the pitch. Our captain was actively talking about leaving whilst the season was still going on. We are much much better this time round than we were that season. We have confidence, a way of playing and a group that is quite clearly together off the field and quite clearly well coached on it. Might end up the same result, the PL is tough but we are much better placed this year to improve throughout the season than we were last time.

In which case..none of them will be frustrated as to why they are asked to play this way then? Yeah sorry I’m using the final result of the only season we have been managed by Martin to judge how well he’s done so far and not 3 games of this one. Silly me.

1 season, 1 promotion. Glasses are working, you should get some, it’s better.

Well on basis that a) they’ve been successful under this manager b) some have signed again to work for him after being here last year and c) ones who weren’t here last year clearly had other options but chose to come here (one specifically because of a review of someone here last year) I’m going to be slightly presumptuous and say they are feeling quite happy to be here and with the way they are asked to play.

‘I’ll be right one day, I promise! Believe me someone!’

Bournemouth took 10 games to win last year. You absolutely can experiment at this level.

Yes but guess what, none of them actually had to sign.

4 of these are new signings who name checked the manager and way we play as a reason for signing. 1 is an 18 year old who I assume is grateful for an opportunity he probably wouldn’t get in many other PL clubs and the other is so frustrated he’s barely made a squeak about wanting to leave despite being far too good for us.

100% correct. People who were wrong last year are desperately trying to be right this time. Haters going to hate. Bed wetters going to bed wet.

Yeah this is correct as well of course. Not impressed with BBD so far and him and Armstrong look far too slow in thought and movement for me. Think that's why Dibling is looking so good, his directness and decision making is just a lot quicker. Our attack last season felt a lot more fluid, yes because of space and time but also because they'd learnt patterns of play. Brooks, Adams, Fraser, Edozie, all out of the team now. Lack of familiarity leads to over thinking play and slower decision making all over the pitch which combined with the quicker players closing you down leads to games like today.

I agree with this wholeheartedly but the answer isn't bin the tippy tappy philosophy the answer is players on the ball making better decisions and doing it quicker. Almost every single team plays out of the back in this league and the ones that don't generally struggle, it's just choosing when and how it's done.

Okay, if this is the road we go down then people need to be well aware thats a different way of playing for our defence, midfield and attack and will need to show some patience as it beds in. If it doesn't click immediately then people cant just come up with another imaginary 11 and system that is so obviously the answer.

I agree there's some better players in that eleven and yes Fernandes for one should be starting against United but it's not as simple as just picking the best players and everything will sort itself out. I don't think it's a coincidence we've looked more blunt now we have a completely different attack to last year and I don't think doing the same disruption to the defence whether it be personnel or the position they are asked to take up would be particularly helpful to an already fragile bunch.

7 out of this 11 weren't involved last season. Ripping everything we did last season up doesn't feel a particularly good idea on any level. It wouldn't be good for the group as a whole in terms of morale and the idea that an 11 that involves nearly half of it who have yet to start for us at St Marys is the answer to our problems seems a bit fanciful to me. But hey, great idea on a messageboard though, top posting.

Conceded two after we went 4 at the back today fwiw.