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Actually we got a bigger crowd than the last time we played Fulham in the Prem, when the crowd was 27000-something - admittedly that was an 8pm kick off, but presumably also on tv.

Hard as it is for me to say this; no-one is interested in your persistent one point agenda, and I'm surprised you haven't been banned already. You might also want to take a look at the 93% support for Adkins here, http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?40495-Sack-Adkins-Yes-or-no and try and work out if you think the other 7% would want one of our least popular managers ever to take over even if they got their way.

Actually I've just checked, and it predates this forum, was probably when we were on TSF or maybe even S4E... I know I played it before I bought a house down here, so pre 2007 for definite. Nice to know it's pitched up on phones now anyway.

I think there may be an archived thread about this on here somewhere, we were all at it on PC about 5 years ago...

Fwiw I base copied Hilario for Gazzaniga and Rafael for Clyne. Changed appearances though, was a real wrench to lose Rafael's hair in the end when he became Clyne... I'll get some pics uploaded at some point, I usually do.

With St Mary's you can get a decent replica just using Stadium type 1 all around the ground and that's not bad - obviously turn off the running track, use a square edged pitch and use the brown outer or the 2 lane track surround and you're maybe 80% there. But you can tweak for realism. So far, I've created about 10 different types of black "official Saints" black ads to run along the front walls of the stands, which, as in the ground, plug twitter, Facebook, halo events, the OS plus Saints Player. You can only use 4, one for each stand front wall, but it looks great. In addition, the sad muppet I am, I took a pic of the inside of the roof at today's match and having cleaned it up and cut and pasted it for uniformity, that now sits on the underside of each edited stand. I have just realised I can differentiate the Chapel by adding clear panels to the front of that roof design... So I will. Also, using model 1 means the wall pattern appear at the back of the stand too - but you can edit fencing and import new styles for those, and I'm looking at a way to block the view of the back ads by putting a wall or false back panel on the stands - or in the Itchen, a load of fake corporate boxes instead. Will see how that goes... If it looks decent ill start uploading png image files for anyone who has PS3 PES 2013 or a few player import images, etc. Still peeved they've removed the Prem shirt number lookalikes though.

What I have been up to on the Pes editing front since last time I posted: Updated the Saints transfers, added Gazzaniga and Clyne from scratch, used face import for about 1/4 of the squad, updated the formation, and imported someone's Option File to get all major league kits reasonably accurate- doesn't seem to have any international teams done though so have drawn and uploaded Wales H and A plus a green and black Wales GK shirt (used the green as their away kit is black). Decided Saints designated away (white) is as useless in the game as it is in real life, so have instead imported a shirt front for the yellow shirt (which has a natty blue collar piece built in, as IRL). Also used an existing Blackburn Umbro GK kit as a tenplate for both black and purple Saints GK shirts - without the weird round and V collars (so far) but with logos correct and in the right places. In addition, I've created St Mary's. It's pretty awesome but I am still working on it...

They also manage to pass money along a line to a vendor in the aisle inside their stadiums without expecting it to "go missing", whilst Brits have something approaching paranoia about this.

Um, so, the OS has updated. Programme Sellers map : http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/documents/sfc-stadium-plan-with-crosses148-409790.pdf "This includes all stadium catering outlets before the game and at half time as well as in the megastore before and after the game, as well as roaming sellers." Not sure this isn't a good move. Would have preferred the bikini cannons though.

However, if they've got bikini models with massive cannons firing them at people, I may be in favour. This point brought to you by the Balance Council.

This is true, but it doesn't change the fact that we stopped offering an online subscription to the programme last season, which would suggest that either the demand or technology wasn't there yet. Until we know what the plan is I'm not going to be critical, but I can say for a fact the only reason I bought a programme at Everton was because they were easily available all around the ground hours before kick off - there is a reason why established clubs do it that way - and I can't imagine cutting corners on something that costs all of 2% of the cost to sell is going to make more money than just carrying on how it is. The vast majority of people who would embrace online delivery of books/magazines are in most cases the people who won't buy a programme anyway, either because they have other things to do at half-time on their phones, because they've not ever felt the need to buy a programme anyway, or because the online version of the programme is not the tangible piece of one-off memorabilia that the programme itself is.

I am enjoying creating Saints players using the face pic import feature - what an arse pain the "no beards" thing is though. I've also improved on the kits... cos, you know, I do that stuff.

Let's wait and see what half-baked Southampton Way of selling programmes we massively mess up before we start criticising, shall we ?

Do the ones you hate say "make 'em" or "mack 'em" for "make them" ?

I have a remarkably non-specific accent, everyone else I know who was born where I was sounds like Tony Pulis or most of Goldie Lookin Chain (clart) or that bird who liked blinking off early Big Brother (also went to my school), but aside from dropping my aitches when I'm not thinking about it, and the occasional Newporty-Welshish twang when shouting or when I get excited, I sound pretty generically southern British with a few "tells". Basically I lived on a dodgy council estate until I was 9, and my mum and grandmother made sure I spoke well so I didn't end up staying there. B Rabbit bugging me about how to say "year" has also assisted with modifying this in the past 6 "yee-uhs" (not "yurrrs")... When I was on an 8 month national software roll-out with an obviously Newport-sounding colleague we used to ask the staff where they thought we were from - in about 20 different places they never once worked out we were from the same place, and we were actually born in the same hospital.

Quite. He has a tiny chance of getting a call up even if he scores 25 goals this season, which he won't. FWIW I wouldn't pick Carroll either, I think he was abysmal during the Euros with anything below waist height and also offers limited options. Makes sense to choose the young players at big clubs with big game experience who can score goals and grow into the team for me. Of course the long and short of it is many of them are not really interested in doing anything for England and simply don't try hard enough when on international duty - but who's to say whether players of lesser ability in good form who ARE motivated might not be a better option ? The media would be on Hodgson's case immediately if he tried anything like that though.

Wouldn't be surprised if it was added to the stewards' duties or something like that, we seem to have a lot of them around to monitor not very much before the match with the automatic turnstiles.

We know. And so did numerous other players, just not in as high profile situations.

He's no longer even wearing that brand of boots, never mind the same studs, having switched to Nike from the red and blue adidas adizero F50s he started the season in. He's also by no means alone in slipping over on our heavily-watered pitch.

He's been pretty much excellent, even when Gary Neville was criticising him he was calling himself "harsh" and pointing out that they were mistakes you couldn't get away with against Champions League teams. Except for "wafting a leg" at the own goal, he called him on that one. FWIW I think Clyne's been strong, well positioned, exciting going forward, enthusiastic and comfortable in possession. He's no Darren Kenton, haring back from 20 yards away to overrun the ball again and fail to complete passes for matches on end...

Lolz. I think most people are completely oblivious to that bit. It's on the telly, no-one has any money, and has become very obvious recently, people won't pay if they don't have to. I also think a lot of fans have stopped following us since the last time we were in the Prem, for whatever reason. Even the ones who are still going have a different outlook on the importance of Prem matches since we enjoyed the lower leagues. Have to say I've been as surprised by our attendances as I have Lambert's goalscoring...

The only problem with the Millennium Stadium is the nightmare traffic getting in and out of Cardiff to the east on (football) match days, even the train station means a good half hour standing around even if you get out quickly. Of course the good thing is you have the whole of Cardiff to eat, drink and waste time in, provided it's not an evening match. It's got a much better location than even the Cardiff City Stadium, which is in a horrible, run down, industrial area bit of the city which is a sod to get to even from the City Centre.

Someone's forgotten how much hassle we had trying to get a viable site for the ground then...? I love where the ground is, every single one of the places you've mentioned which are still opened are still possible match day venues, plus the ground is a million times better, and who gives a crap what the surroundings are like ? Not football fans, and property prices and history mean grounds are either in dump areas or out of town near shopping or industrial centres. I don't remember Fatty Arbucks, I remember Fatty Arbuckles though.

As I striker I'd be delighted if I was given a couple of yards at the far post to aim at because the keeper's angles were crap. I can, given Kelvin's tendencies, understand Gazzaniga's desire not to get beaten at the near post, though. If he'd been further out and covering the back post slightly more, he'd at least have made Jelavic put some pace on it, possibly causing him to miss the target, or blocked the shot. Where he was it was simple for Jelavic to roll it into the large space Gazzaniga wasn't covering. For the third, he could have tried having a set position somewhere in front of the goal-line while the cross was going across. It was a powerful header but it was straight at him, he was stood behind the line and facing into the side netting. Yes, for the Arsenal goal all 3 of our "tacklers" decided to go for the same ball - including whichever one (or two) should have been sitting. The whole point of a DM is to protect the back line and not leave an easy path to goal. Morgan (up until last weekend) had more combined tackles and interceptions than anyone in the Prem, but he didn't stop that one so we shouldn't assume he'd have necessarily been much more effective against Everton.

You didn't have to say that you were making out that you knew exactly what would happen on the thread, you actually did it in the quote. Like clockwork. But yes, many other people are also acting as expected.