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Beat you to it.

If you can't see it you can't give it.

From these pics I can see what you mean re:the arm, as Schneiderlin starts out of the way and then having put his body in the ref's line of sight is leaning and moving slightly to the right during the incident. He clearly blocks some of it but the ref only saw the "bad bits". Ahhh, anyway, time for some more screenshots from iPlayer... Seaborne moves in and stops short Seaborne pivots on his left and steps in right foot first, with his arm up. Edds starts to lean back into Seaborne whilst chipping right footed Edds puts right foot down whilst still pulling his left off the ground, falls back What I've realised from watching this endlessly, is that the Tranmere player actually tries to switch standing leg - as he chips the ball up with his right foot, his standing foot is his left (in contact with Seaborne), but he then quickly tries to change feet, throws his right foot at the ground while his left is still in mid-air and falls over backwards as a result. He'd have fallen over doing that if the nearest defender was 30 yards away.

No, it's due to the Premier League holding fire on their meeting to agree to the deduction. That is because Chainrai was the one who put the Skates into Admin as a creditor, but he is also owner. Until the issue is clarified about the legitimacy of this process, the PL have decided not to have the points deduction meeting. There is also a question whether the Skates' administrator is independent, having allegedly worked for Chainrai recently, which might also result in a change of administrator. There can be 3 main outcomes to the issues raised by HMRC : 1) Chainrai's position as a creditor and therefore able to put the club into admin is accepted, the PL meeting then goes ahead as they are in admin, whoever is the administrator. 2) Chainrai's position as a creditor is not accepted, so the administration he placed the Skates in is therefore illegitimate - then a) The High court winds them up as they nearly did in Feb, and the PL is forced to expunge their results from the PL table b) The High Court chooses not to wind them up but appoints an independent administrator, PL has their -9 meeting. 3) The administrator is deemed not independent, so the High Court appoints a new independent administrator, PL has their -9 meeting. Why the Premier League didn't make "you're in admin, -9 deduction" a de facto deduction instead of having to have a discussion to ok it when it is clearly stated in their rules, God knows.

I'd expect them to be quite large, isn't that the point of being overweight ?

The ref still can't bloody see it from where he is anyway.

I hope he's near Durban, it's about 9 degrees C there at night, everywhere else is going to be 1-2 degrees, apparently.

Maybe a new "sash" kit will be out by then, and we could give him a handlebar moustache and knickerbockers. Or get the hairy freak burned as a witch.

If I'd have done more rubbing off we'd have stuck together a bit more at the end. Despite already being injured when I started, I ran until I got MORE injured going to shoot on the edge of the box when POTS nipped in and I booted him instead. And then due to Baj's speed of thought in belting off the pitch at a limp I got stuck on the pitch playing injured for 10 mins of the first half and 15 in the second which I hadn't even signed up for (mustn't grumble). With hindsight I'd have let the Gaffer send me back on for the last 15 as well instead of suggesting someone else got a bit of "free" playing time. I will happily contribute a piece detailing the buzz and my feelings surrounding the previous year's event (and no doubt include something about dodgy subs at nickh's insistence). A bit of "administration v multimillionaire" context would probably fit well too.

I thought one of the problems with South Africa was that it was lacking the conventional "motorway" infrastructure between major cities, leaving irregular and (warning, hyperbole) bandit-ridden train journeys and expensive internal flights as the only alternatives for travel between venues ? That and the accommodation nightmare are good reasons not to go. FIFA's plan was to tell people to fly to the "well equipped" Durban for hotels even if they wanted to attend matches in Jo'burg, but in practice if you want Durban accommodation from FIFA's website accommodation links they'll offer to put you up in Zimbabwe for about £300 a night if you're lucky. And of course you can't camp, as it's winter and a tad chilly overnight.

Now I just think you're trying to be controversial. The two photos below show quite clearly that Seaborne's contacting leg is still. It also barely moves between (pic 1) the point when the player flings himself backwards, and the attacker being in mid air (pic 2), showing that all the movement was by the attacker. Seaborne didn't "go through him", he stood still. Given that the only contact between the two is from Seaborne's right thigh against Edds' leg which was already in motion in the air from kicking the ball, we're expected to believe that he somehow caused the attacker's right (standing) leg with all his weight on it to fling itself upwards despite Seaborne not making any contact with it or moving ? Clearly the attacker flicked the ball up, realised he wasn't going to get to it, and without any involvement from Seaborne then flung his standing leg away to fall over in an attempt to either overhead kick it, or put himself on the floor to force the ref to judge. The pics also show the ref's terrible positioning, and his view of the incident which indicate that he couldn't see it. I'm starting to wonder if you've got Schneiderlin between you and the screen or something.

I think you underestimate the level of theatrics in League One, the only difference being that the media don't spend days highlighting it all. And also that they're generally being done by Moores and Smiths and Thomases instead of da Fallovas and Whoojamawotsits. I'm not really bothered who we play as long as we have a chance of winning. Which rules out about 8 games in a Prem season...

Did you play last time then ? Didn't notice. Nice programme though. On the training front, really not my forte, and if anyone thinks I'm going to teach Magnet anything, well... old dogs and all that...

No theatrics ? You weren't at Prenton Park on Saturday then, their number 9 outflopped Fonte by about 150%. And terrible, terrible refs. The only thing that will stop me watching Prem football if Saints are involved is a money-related stitch-up causing either blatant unfairness or prejudicing results. From direct PL interference as opposed to the causal money-led procession it is at the moment, I mean. Such as giving Portsmouth parachute payments in advance or overlooking a 9 point deduction just because they've chosen to ignore their own rules, for instance.

I don't know what we're going to sing once "Wemberleyyyy" is removed from our limited repertoire.

There are a couple of photos from behind the goal on here which appeared just after the match. There's no way the ref could see that through Schneiderlin and Edds' bodies anyway, he can't even see the players' legs past Schneiderlin to judge on contact there. He gave it on Edds falling over, which is all he was aware of. Just to add, the comments about restarts with drop ball have just reminded me of another inexplicable decision, which was the ref restarting with a drop ball on the edge of the Tranmere box, which he bounce-rolled straight to the keeper. I think it was during treatment for (Lallana?) injury when he hadn't quite left the pitch and the ball was returned to play too early by Tranmere I think, but the usual procedure for an uncompeted drop ball is for the attacker to put it off the pitch for a goal kick, and this happened absolutely nowhere near where the ball had been when the ref blew up. Lambert was stood right next to the ref asking him what he was doing at the time.

I actually think the only way football should use technology is by removing the ref from the pitch altogether and having the guy sit in a tv control booth, using big screens to convey information to the players. I mean if we're going to hand the simplicity over for the sake of accuracy, what's the point in having someone there to be argued with ? Decisions can be seen immediately from a number of angles, explained by onscreen prompts and there's no scope for confusion or argument. Blow a loudspeaker klaxon instead of a too-easily-copied whistle, whack up a "free kick to..." message, use some kind of projector light-pointer technology to indicate the location of the foul - players will soon stop sneaking yardage if all that happens is the screen keeps saying "move the ball back" until they get it right... same for the wall... Hand over the clock to a timekeeper, drop the "45 mins" to the 25 mins actual ball in play time and stick it on the screen so there's no doubt over remaining time, and that should remove anything remotely contentious or humanising from the game, and give Sky free reign to charge what they want for services rendered to the FA. Let's not half-arse this, who needs officials on the pitch ?

Still, £47 for a home shirt that we'll only be wearing another 9 times and only once with the appropriate commemorative print, when they're usually 50% off by now ?

Only if we're planning on playing the JPT Final at White Hart Lane. The FA Cup Semis are at Wembley the week after we're there, bit early this year due to the World Cup. ...Which is in South Africa, in case you think that might mess the pitch up for us too ?

As someone who owns at least 2 of all of our shirts from every season since about 2001, I think you're insane for paying that. Does look like they're using the JPT to try and avoid desperately flogging the kit off at £10 a chuck come Easter this time though, which has been the policy for the last 10 years.

The only issue would appear to be Carlisle's socks being white with red turnovers, suggesting one side will play in red socks (all red is Carlisle's away kit, unhelpfully, and we've played in red socks at Bristol Rovers already this season to avoid sock-clashing). You really don't even know what colour they play in ? I was about 7 when I committed all the colours of FL clubs to memory with my league ladders. I'm quite surprised at that, though I do have those kind of tendencies...

Blimey, you've got some tolerance, the only two Prem matches I've bothered watching this season were the one where Figueroa scored from his own half for Wigan and Chelsea v Man City for Bridge, and they were only because I happened to be in the pub at the time. When we were on the way to the 2003 FA Cup semi at Villa Park my cousin was testing me on Prem player squad numbers and there wasn't one I didn't know, including all the obscure fringe players. Nowadays I couldn't even tell you who half of Villa or Man City's team is - gave up SkyHD last July and haven't missed it for a minute. I tend only to go to away matches at grounds I haven't been to before, so if we got back to the Prem I'd probably only go to Burnley, Hull, Newcastle, Sunderland and Stoke, and there's a fair chance we'd meet most of them in the CCC beforehand anyway.

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More to the point the 4-3 defeat got rid of Redknapp, which did us a favour.

You would be right. Made his debut under Redknapp in 2006/7 in the CCC.