Ex Lion Tamer

Our point of difference remains that you think £20-25m would be a fair price when I really think that's still too low when we could keep him for a season and see what his value is then

Unless we think that actually Tino isn't ever going to be the player he was and now's the time to get a quick buck

I accept that KWP, JWP, Lavia, ABK and numerous others will leave. I don't accept that we have to sell a young full back for below market value when they've got three years left on their contract, are unlikely to be on huge wages and have only just recovered from a very serious injury

Then we keep him

There's no way we should be selling for less than £35m. He's got three years left on his contract and before his injury looked like a future international / Champions League player in the making

It was this:

Remains to be seen whether we can build a team to win this league but we are going to have serious quality in certain positions if players like Tino, Alcaraz and Sulemana stay. Ridiculous quality for this level

The last time we got relegated? (if you include loans)

"All players must pass" "We keep on passing the ball"

Not really a good look to be telling the world Martin has started working for us when he's still under contract to Swansea

Because we're not in the middle of the season now?

He was smart to get out before the money taps turned off

Here's what Nice fans thought when he took them to a 17th place finish (yes they rebounded the following season): Nice manager Claude Puel and players attacked by fans after training https://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/may/15/nice-claude-puel-attacked-supporters-training Leicester fans: Leicester City fans celebrate Claude Puel’s sacking https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leicester-city-fans-celebrate-claude-2578216 St Etienne fans: Saint-Etienne ultras throw flares onto pitch, riot police guard changing rooms as fans demand Claude Puel sacked and delay Angers clash https://talksport.com/football/967677/saint-etienne-ultras-flares-riot-police-angers-delayed-claude-puel/

Sometimes bad/average managers have a good first season with a club, where they benefit from what the previous coach has done with the team and they manage to keep the momentum. Then it all goes wrong as they have to rely increasingly on their own methods. Michael Laudrup at Swansea was a classic example of this, benefiting from the work Brendan Rodgers had done there before falling off a cliff in the second season. Ranieri at Leicester was kind of the same, with his methods building spectacularly on the disciplined team that Nigel Pearson had built, before it all went wrong. Puel was the same. He managed to keep the Koeman era going despite losing some key players, but it was already going wrong and he would have been sacked in his second season if he'd stayed. He did do well at Nice despite having some awful seasons as well but the Premier League was a step too far for him I think

If he's such a good manager you might think he would do something at another club

Well Hereford had the all time king, David Ike

We have plenty of "all that matters is our league position that season" merchants on here. Remember we hounded a manager out because his style of play was boring, leading us to one win in our final eight league matches and no goals in our last five home games. Despite Puel being shit for years since he left they still go on about it.

It's arguably better to search for the diamond that gets us promoted than settle for known quantities that won't take us anywhere

This is surely just a sloppy wording from the journalist - there's no way a starter in Serie A would be coming to sit on the bench

Yes, I don't see anyone offering enough to make it worth us selling

Not trying to be clever but what wide attacking players do you think do suit that style of play? I'm struggling. Nathan Redmond?

We are crap, not disputing that! Just think Sulemana has offered even less, despite showing the odd flash of skill

Whereas Sulemana would have made a huge difference if he'd played more, with his total lack of ability to either set up or score goals. I think people are being a bit blinded by the fact that Sulemana scored two goals in a dead rubber at the end of the season, against a Liverpool team that had clearly checked out for their summer holidays and were literally passing the ball to us at times. Even Adam Armstrong scored against them! It's a bit like Aribo's wonder goal in pre season really

I wonder if this is about Swansea disrupting a rival ahead of the new season. Making us wait for our new manager

I'd suggest it's more about positional sense, keeping the shape and making life difficult for the opposition without actually making tackles or anything that can be measured in stats. I'm not saying Ely is an amazing player but this is why he was in the team