StuRomseySaint

I shall watch your posts closely in forthcoming seasons. Also, if having no installment plan is the most economic way of doing things moving forward... why do every club that has the demand for a payment plan ( including Man Utd etc ) , have one? Serious question. Are you suggesting that in the 11 months Cortese has been a chairman, he has found a gap in the market and infact the other 60 or so clubs are all wrong?

The 10% was made up by someone else, with the lack of other evidence, I decided to go with it for the sake of debate... who knows what the number is, I would imagine it will be more. People are not refused credit simply on the grounds of affordability. I had to get a credit card ( on a ridiculously high interest rate ) a couple of years ago because I couldn't get credit anywhere else. Was it because I couldn't afford credit? Or had bad credit? No... it was the opposite, because I had never needed credit before so had no history.

The removal of the half-season tickets is about as blatant as you get as saying " I don't want season ticket holders " . I beg anyone to differ.

I think what you are talking about is the Saints Newsletter, which just auto-picks the news off the OS?

If nobody has any constructive debate left and can't come up with any constructive reasons as to why Cortese is not trying to rip off fans, I assume we can lock this now and await response from the club?

I think you would do well to remember that the majority of people who rely on a payment plan would be from the lower income bracket, thus from the lower end of the credit score, as such many can't afford £350 in one hit nor qualify for a loan. Would you say the above is a fair statement? Yes I have shot down alot of people on this thread, mainly because they come to the table and try and rubbish the facts I have spent the time getting, with complete speculation and guesses... just like your 10% figure and 50% of them qualifying for credit is. Just as people jumped on the bandwagon when one person posted the only reason which I couldn't prove at the time for the lack of payment plan. Which was defaulters... all of a sudden every person started using that as the reason. I still await one of you uberfans to come on this thread and challenge me with some FACTS It can't be that hard... you really could do some serious pwnage of me if what you say is true... this is an opportunity not to be missed, surely? And just again, because you still keep forgetting... An installment plan is NOT credit.

The last bit was a bit of sarcasm you 'tard. But yes, I would expect a reply from the club about some pretty serious accusations put to them... and within 7 days, as per their Supporters Charter ( lol )

It means he is 11 months late. But great attempts at trying to hijack the thread. If you don't have anything to say, don't say it? I have agreed to keep my views about the installment plans etc on here... how about you respect that and stop being a mong?

Not as yet. I sent the first email on 1st June and another one on 4th June, neither have been responded to yet. However I have asked for a response from Mr Cortese himself. I speak to David Luker regulary but don't feel it fair to either him or myself for David to have to respond, so have asked for the email to be responded to by Cortese himself, or another member of the senior management team. I will cut Cortese some slack though, as he may have been in Malta for a few days and have some catching up to do. Although I would expect a reply at the end of this week.

I would rather not turn up than go in the Family Enclosure to be honest. As for as what cost they think the fans will tolerate, you have hit the nail on the head there. If you show the club you tolerate something, they will do it again and again. This forum is not representative of the majority of Southampton fans. This is where the core of support will come, the core support will generally take anything that comes their way, price rises, the dropping of installment plans, loss of any other benefits etc... not to mention that every person that comes on here will be fully aware of the season tickets, as non TSW members might not be. The fact 30% of people polled on here have said they are not going to renew in my opinion is a reflection of the ticketing policies installed by Mr Cortese.

I am going to keep my thoughts about installment plan to that thread from now on. As it happens, I really don't think we will walk this league. I think we will finish in a play-off position, and should be close to the top 2, but to expect it, like most people do, is foolish.

Again Len, you are speculating without actually doing any research. If you remember, I was going to renew up until I had money to pay out for my car... but I STILL emailed the club and was still looking into it, so my personal situation has nothing to do with it, I just see the club as treating their fans with complete contempt. If they do not back down on thie situation, I have no doubt next year that I will be saying " I told you so " when people complain at yet another hike in season tickets, regardless of what division we are in.

That makes the strike even more retarded. LOL What a bunch of chumps.

In keeping with my policy of replying to my reply to all policy. For the 135th time. How do you know how many people defaulted with regards to payment plans then continued to go? Do you have any figures? Where did you obtain this information from? Because I am assured from the people that administrate the accounts that defaulters are an insignificant percentage due to the nature of the payments. Some people default, which are chased up and collected by the premium company, but very few, if any, try and screw the system over. If you are worried about people obtaining services by deception then by your thinking, season tickets should be completely finished, as there IS a significant amount of season ticket holders who claim their ticket is lost, get a new one printed and give it to a mate for some free footy. That IS a problem, which has been stated by the club before.

You know what, I think you have just proven what I have been talking about with regards to fans blind love for Cortese in that post. I will leave it to you to work out what.

I will keep answering your duplicate posts as it's another slow work day. Where did you get the figure of 10% from? I can only assume from the club as you speak of this as a fact. And can you tell me also where you got the 50% figure from that will be able to find alternative arrangements, as again, you speak of this as fact... when common sense would say it will be alot less than that. The one 'assumption' you CAN make is that Cortese wants fewer season ticket holders... Only someone with a blind love of Cortese will see it otherwise. Either that or they need to sack their Marketing Manager! We might have a similar amount of season ticket holder, possibly made up by more 'new' season ticket holders. I can bet you ( and willing to ) that the renewals will be significantly down though, and you would have expected us to have 17-18k season tickets this season, with a fan friendly policy.

I understand what you are saying, and let me clarify a few things... 1) I am 'aggressive' towards some posters because they come to the table speculating with no evidence and try to rubbish what I have found to be fact, through doing research with the very companies involved. Make no bones about it, if I was in any doubt I wouldn't be as public as I am now, because I have no doubt that Cortese would sue/ban any supporter making ficticious statements about the club. I have also taken the time to let Steve Grant know in more detail the information I have recieved and where I got it from etc. This is a potentially very sensitive thread, especially considering Cortese's reputation when dealing with people who disagree/question what he has done. That should tell you something about the credability of what I am posting * although this by no means they, or any of Saintsweb agree with it ( legal bit ) 2) There is not time to sit back and reflect. As it stands now, the clock is ticking but there is still time for the club to make a '125th Anniversary Gesture' to the fans and source an installment plan. 3) The fans charter has not just gone off course, it has been torn up and thrown away. By reading that charter ( Definition: A document outlining the principles, functions, and organization of a corporate body ) you cannot blame any Saints fan for not making arrangements to pay the full amount as it clearly states that any changes will be communicated with fans and feedback sought prior to sale. I will answer every viewpoint on this thread, so far, there has not been one post which gives a reasonable explanation as why it is acceptable behaviour from the club. The club have a duty to answer... if they don't then people have a duty to not turn up and/or question their actions.

Difference. When I have a moan, it's about things that directly affect me. When you moan it's about things that have nothing to do with you and you do it for attention.

It was a joke you soppy c*nt.

Every single other club including teams such as Manchester United ( who could fill their stadium twice over with pay on the day customers ) who have the demand for a payment plan, have one, why is this oh Benjii genius? Are you suggesting that Cortese knows something that these other clubs don't?

The focus needs to be the reasons for the lack of communication, not just about the payment plan, but season tickets in general AND everything else. The plan of restricting the amount season ticket holders in order to squeeze more cash out of them is wrong, plain wrong... I would understand it if we were in Prem, but we are not. Do you think it is acceptable for the club 9 days after releasing the season ticket plans, not to even as much as psot a response regarding the numerous complaints they have had and the ill feeling about the club from a large number of support? And I rebuffed Beancounter because he came to the table speculating, even though I have the FACTS in front of me.

And an even larger one when/if we reach the Premier League. They could sell the club today and achieve a significant profit on their investment.

Exactly. We are being commercialised in League 1 FFS at the expense ( in more ways that one ) of the fans. Fair enough if we are in the Premier League, but not League 1. And to those who keep on about the signings etc, I strongly believe that even after investments and transfers last season, we are very close to breaking even. Most newly taken over companies will have a 5 year plan which involves the first 2 years at a loss, I get the impression that Cortese is trying to turn a profit from day one, which makes this whole " look how much money they have invested " complete pie in the sky.

LMAO Are you seriously comparing borrowing a tenner from someone in a pub to a multi-million pound turnover business offering a service to enable it to gain maximum revenue in the long term? I appreciate there might be some 'inconveniences' to the club by having one... but they are insignificant when compared to the positives. As I said, I don't have the stats, but I very much doubt many casual fans go to more than 10 games a season and can't see Cortese getting more revenue this way.

T.V you c*nt.