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of course this child should have been removed. All I'm saying is that it may not have been as easy to see that from the outside, or to make it happen, as you might think. It's sodding awful, and there may well have been failings on an individual and organisational point of view - but like I say, it's so easy to say that with tragic hindsight.

c*ntsaint?

The problem is, swannymere, that at practitioner level, these on-the-ground workers may well not have had the authority to do so. they may have followed the correct proceedures and so on, we can't really know from what's been reported. One thing I do find troubling is that, after being taken away, the child was returned because medical examination of suspected injuries were 'inconclusive' - so that basically says the child was returned to parents with the knowledge they may have been returning it to dangerous place. Plenty of people will react to this in a knee-jerk way and say it's the governments fault, human rights is ****, all that - but at the end of the day, it's very, very hard to legislate effectively for this kind of thing without causing serious issues for a lot of innocent parents as well. At the end of the day, the main blame lies entirely with those f*ck ups that did this disgusting act. Despite the severity of the injuries, a social worker may well not always be in a position to examine a child as well as they'd like, because some parents just won't let them. People forget that the workers must attempt to maintain an environment in which the parents don't seek to entirely shut out professionals involved, and this might sometimes mean keeping the peace rather than insisting on actioning things that may well not be the case. I certainly wouldn't blame any of the social workers fully until the facts come out, if they truly do, and even then, they will never be the main guilty party - they might well be part of a bigger problem, poor policy-making etc, but again - at the end of the day, it's simply a very hard sot of thing to work with at the best of times, even if you're a very professional, seasoned worker.

At the end of the day, statistically speaking, a young male muslim with beard and rucksack in an underground carriage is more lilely than other demographics to blow himself up. Possibly. Yet the probability is so extremely low that is simply isn't worth talking about at all. I think people would be lying if certain negative thoughts didn't cross their mind, but it's about what we do with them. Rationalising things generally helps. You'd never get in a car if you were worried about crazy drivers, yet there is more chance of you dying that way than by a terrorist attack in this country.

It wasn't about whether she was alone. It was about if the driver was wearing a turban.

I've had to deal with several child protection issues and I always work by the policy of 'if in doubt, act' - because you can't be too careful. If I have any reason to suspect, I will start the procedure. This doesn't mean taking anyone away, but it does mean keeping proper tabs on the case and also involving other agencies etc. In that, I have done my job. The craziest thing about this case is that it happened in the SAME local authority as Climbie!!!

Christ you're funny sometimes.

Conpared to you, yes. I happen to know a lot more than most people, regrettably, about 'da yoof' due to my jobs. Moron.

I was out at Hythe. Was glad I went, too many people out really, from a selfish perspective, but was nice to see her slip down past me one last time. Still a beautiful ship.

Problem is it's because a dirty term. Like 'immigrant', which alone should mean nothing bad at all. Just stupid media based hyperbole drivel as usual. At the end of the day it just comes down to basic respct for each others rights and beliefs, and not being a f*ckwit. Anyone who is against that, as a concept are, as such, f*ckwits.

Those 'guido' ones look like S13 SFCs kind of people. Also, sorry to ruin the party, but those fools up the top aren't your typical 'brapistas' at all. Stereotype properly at least...

This PC mad crap gets bandied about far too often by the ight wingers who feel annoyed that they can no longer express their prejudice without fear of critical comment. We do not, for the most part, live in a world that's gone too far. There are isolated cases, but I actually have never met someone who is totally stupid about it. I've seen some silly points of view (someone my parents knew said the terms 'black coffee' and 'black as night' were racist - my parents, rightly, told her she was stupid, basically) but I still have no idea who in these councils actually makes these rules, because it certainly isn't people like me, and, according to half of you, I'm about as crazy PC mad as you can get.

Well, maybe that. Not that sure though, to be honest. Not looking up to much these days. And Mike, freedom of choice? About what? Race? Then it is, by definition, racism. People have every right to make choices if the choice is reasonable, ie, asking for a woman driver for a young woman passenger. It's not, perhaps, ideal, even then, because it could be argued there is a judgement made about males generally in that - but most people would agree it is much more valid for that young woman to be uncomfortable in the sole presence of an unknown man - than just someone who happens to wear a turban. There's no basis in anything other than prejudice for such a choice to be made. If I went about saying "I only want to employ black females", I'm pretty sure that wouldn't be 'freedom of choice'. it would be sodding dtupid, simple as that.

I wouldn't. Stupid *****.

I think most people think it's stupid not to allow christmas trees, myself included. Very few people even consider this kind of thing ass sensible or politically correct. The tree has pretty little to do with christian symbols anyway, and I, not being religious in the least, am glad. So why anyone else would ever get offended (who in truth does?) I don't see.

Thing is Shane, most of that's ********. Most people you think are crazy treehugging commies wouldn't advocate this kind of crap.

Agreed. Whatever you say Scummer, it is prejudiced, simple as that, and if her daughter will get freaked by someone with a turban - and would prefer 'someone English', then she's clearly been raised with absurd racist views, simple as that. ****ing idiot, this woman. I can see why she got fired, quite right.

Infract yourself for wilful and flagrant breaching of the forum rules.

Yeah, ********. Missed that, sounds cool.

Another lovely one. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7706598.stm I really struggle with this sort of thing - in fact any case where someone is clearly abusing another, child or otherwise. I cannot begin to understand how anyone can do things like this. Even from a cold position of logic and rationality - what can begin to explain the psychological make up of these people? No idea.

I'm out, will be in Bristol.

I'll be down there tonight with my old man

An awful lot of citizens in the US feel very disenfranchised SFC. They don't have a national health service as we do. There are areas of real economic problems. Unemployment. I honestly don't see why you hold them up as a shining beacon, because they are far from it, surely? There are good things about them, but so are there about us, and the Germans, and the French, and the Chinese. A bit of balance is always nice. And while the 'marginalising of the hegemony' is occasionally an issue, I think it's pretty myopic to suggest that, in the bigger picture, English citizens are really done that harsh a deal. The facts show that we are still the most well off, the demographic with, as a whle, the better opportunities in education and employment and so on. yes, you can point to some examples where there are exceptions, but overall, it doesn't hold water. There are issues that need resolving, but saying that we change all our laws to support other cultures is sort of an empty statement. I think the vast majority of our laws our very much English in nature... Again, there are exceptions, but not that many. It is simply false to say any Government has shown a 'total lack of Respect for the English citizens', to be honest. Also - most ethnic minorities are English citizens, and most English citizens who are white were still the result of mass immigrations hundreds of years ago. We ARE a melting pot, and in many ways it has been what made us strong. The ability to merge other cultures into our own has, in a lot of ways, been the hallmark of our history itself.