Fitzhugh Fella

Leicester and quite possibly Leeds will probably be playing in a higher division than us plus of course Leeds had the "fun" bit beforehand - something Lowe's prudence (not knocking him here) denied us.

I accept it is bizarre. Probably because not everyone understands the implications but Wash Saint, I think it a case of seeing how other clubs have emerged out of the ashes of administration and gone on to better things. If it happens to us (BIG IF) then those fans who you label as being "beyond belief" will be vindicated. I guess we will just have to wait and see which way (to use an American term) "the cookie crumbles".

HI Frank I think it is quite hard to put into words why Lowe attracted such strong emotions. I guess it is for a variety of reasons. Speaking totally personally now, on the one occasion we communicated I found him pompous, arrogant, ill-mannered and a bully. He refused to budge an inch in debate and never admitted he was wrong. He literally had no redeeming qualities. Now I admit he didn't like my views or the way I challenged him but he was unable to discuss our differences civilly. In fact his debate involved talking over me and then calling me a name. It is little wonder after this exchange I didn't like the man. However I think I could have lived with all this if he had stuck to being a Chairman in the old fashioned sense of the word ie not having the FINAL say in football matters. Unfortunately he started getting too involved in footballing decisions and although he may have got a few right, he got a lot more wrong and hence the beginning of the end. I think had he not gone the first time we would not now be in administration because no doubt the actions of the execs contributed massively to that but Lowe's mis management post Cardiff had already embarked SFC down the rocky road and because so many of us were desperate to see him go (understandable) we did not check the lifeboat too carefully.

Sincerely hope you are right, Morph I still have a few doubts but I always was a glass half empty sort of chap - comes with supporting Saints!

But that was never looking like happening?

He got a lot of stuff from Lee Hoos, assumed it was genuine and passed on what he could to the forum without giving the game away. I don't think he took any perverse pleasure in being considered ITK -he's not that sort. The Allen affair had everyone at the club believing and for that we can blame Tom Mac who duped Crouch, Hone et al. Lee's a good bloke who got sucked in because he wanted (like most of us) to believe we were going places.

A fair and accurate synopsis. It's a shame because Lee's heart is certainly in the right place.

makes an interesting read http://plasticsaints.myfreeforum.org/recent_events_are_where_do_we_go_from_here__about8549.html

we could do with a few action men and power rangers v Palace tomorrow!

Get's a mention in today's Oberver.

the SOS appeal gets a mention in today's Observer.

Indeed

At last Saturday's game, 18 consortiums were at the match. Either in the boardroom, directors box or overflowing into the stands. Madness, the sooner some of these goons get out of the way to let proper serious people through the better. Idiots like Jackson are messing things up and decent people are falling by the wayside. Hope that is intelligible enough for you.

Perhaps they have lost their apetite after seeing the bunfight. Perhaps they have realised football has moved on and they don't like what they see. Perhaps they were (in hindsight) never the right people to run the club. Perhaps they have realised it's best just to be fans. Perhaps I should never have got my hopes up. Sorry to be kind of obtuse here but I am trying to tread delicately and will have to hope you can get my drift from reading between the lines. I feel, if and when we do get bought, it will be from an outsider interest rather than someone already known, although this last bit is pure speculation from me.

I am hearing some disturbing news. I don't think Consortium A are interested any more. I hear the boardroom was a bit of a bunfight last week. My worse fears in my original post have been realised.

But is, as sure as hell, better than nothing. Sure we would all rather a decent, trustworthy and wealthy consortium take us over but if that doesn't happen then should we all just call it a day?

The bottom line is however, if no consortium is forthcoming and there is no initiative from the fans then we have no football club. This is no time for semantics.

This really is a worthwhile exercise because if all of a sudden everthing suddenly goes pear shaped and Fry declares "no consortium have delivered therefore the club will fold" (God forbid), then we - the fans - need to be in a position to offer at least some sort of reprieve, albeit for a few days. Derry has done some sterling work over the last week and it is vital the fans are seen to be proactive over this. Rgds Duncan

Tbh SlickMick - the points business is of secondary interest to me right now - in the greater scale of things we could make up that 10 points in a month but being sold to a unscrupulous consortium will take longer than a month to put right.

If that was his intention Mark, why did he not just lend the club the money for them to buy it in the first place? I am going off memory here, although I did speak to Mr Corbett in the late 80s, and I seem to remember there being quite a long period of time before the land transferred ownership but would not put my house on it, admittedly. The point was that he could have sold it to other parties for a lot more than he sold it to Saints, so it was an act for which we should be grateful, nio matter how long ago it was. As for MC I think she only came to be a director because she was asked as part of Mike Wilde's PR stunt to impress the fans. I haven't spoken to her since the resignations of the Board but I would be really surprised if she had any plans or desires to return in a director's capacity. I quite agree with your last paragraph - while I am not shedding tears at the apparent demise of the PLC, I am concerned that Fry will - in the fans' eyes - possibly choose the "wrong" consortium.

I don't want to re-ignite the whole Corbett debate Mark, but to be fair to John Corbett your assessment is not quite accurate. When he bought the land (at a very good price) it was his then intention for it to remain in his possesion. It was only quite a few years later that he decided to let the club have it (at the same price he paid) for future investment. The gesture of letting the club have it at the same price, even though it was worth more, was the benevolent act that later got misconstrued that he "gave" the club the land.

Done!

I agree SlickMick but he was spotted lording it around SMS on Saturday shaking everyone's hand and generally acting like he was coming to the rescue.

I accept your point Trousers and certainly in the case of Cedar Press it is a valid one but when it comes to the big guns such as Aviva or Barclays I should think the former certainly could well do without our future business and Barclays probably wouldn't shed too many tears.