Fitzhugh Fella

There is no disgrace in losing as long as you give it your best shot. If the players did not do that today then quite frankly it is scandalous. We are fighting for our very existance and it sounds like the players couldn't give a damn. Ted Bates must be turning in his grave.

All we want now is Alpine and FC to book a skiing holiday together....... Today has been tough I felt wretched and full of hate towards Lowe an hour ago but you know what this is now about Saints survival as a club, Lowe is history.

Lot of sobering reading in today's Echo - even L Mac, in his column, is admitting things are a lot worse than originally thought.

Sorry - I had to laugh at this. D

There were others Robbie, that Lowe and Wilde could not accept.

No you are quite right Steve - I think between September and December Leon Crouch started to see the liklihood of both relegation and administration and started to be more active in his "manouvering", "agitating" - call it what you will. A letter was sent and it was rejected due to the "strings" contained therein. The letter's existance remained a secret for a couple of months - hence the discrepancy in the timing.

Last September Leon Crouch was pretty sure there was no investors on the scene. His message to me was we have just got to grin and bare it, hope we don't go down sort of thing. Of course he very much wanted Wilde and Lowe out but was not sure how he could make it happen.

Christ I agree too

Not true - LC told me as far back as last September he was very dubious that Fulthorpe could deliver what was being touted around.

Leicester and quite possibly Leeds will probably be playing in a higher division than us plus of course Leeds had the "fun" bit beforehand - something Lowe's prudence (not knocking him here) denied us.

I accept it is bizarre. Probably because not everyone understands the implications but Wash Saint, I think it a case of seeing how other clubs have emerged out of the ashes of administration and gone on to better things. If it happens to us (BIG IF) then those fans who you label as being "beyond belief" will be vindicated. I guess we will just have to wait and see which way (to use an American term) "the cookie crumbles".

HI Frank I think it is quite hard to put into words why Lowe attracted such strong emotions. I guess it is for a variety of reasons. Speaking totally personally now, on the one occasion we communicated I found him pompous, arrogant, ill-mannered and a bully. He refused to budge an inch in debate and never admitted he was wrong. He literally had no redeeming qualities. Now I admit he didn't like my views or the way I challenged him but he was unable to discuss our differences civilly. In fact his debate involved talking over me and then calling me a name. It is little wonder after this exchange I didn't like the man. However I think I could have lived with all this if he had stuck to being a Chairman in the old fashioned sense of the word ie not having the FINAL say in football matters. Unfortunately he started getting too involved in footballing decisions and although he may have got a few right, he got a lot more wrong and hence the beginning of the end. I think had he not gone the first time we would not now be in administration because no doubt the actions of the execs contributed massively to that but Lowe's mis management post Cardiff had already embarked SFC down the rocky road and because so many of us were desperate to see him go (understandable) we did not check the lifeboat too carefully.

Sincerely hope you are right, Morph I still have a few doubts but I always was a glass half empty sort of chap - comes with supporting Saints!

But that was never looking like happening?

He got a lot of stuff from Lee Hoos, assumed it was genuine and passed on what he could to the forum without giving the game away. I don't think he took any perverse pleasure in being considered ITK -he's not that sort. The Allen affair had everyone at the club believing and for that we can blame Tom Mac who duped Crouch, Hone et al. Lee's a good bloke who got sucked in because he wanted (like most of us) to believe we were going places.

A fair and accurate synopsis. It's a shame because Lee's heart is certainly in the right place.

makes an interesting read http://plasticsaints.myfreeforum.org/recent_events_are_where_do_we_go_from_here__about8549.html

we could do with a few action men and power rangers v Palace tomorrow!

Get's a mention in today's Oberver.

the SOS appeal gets a mention in today's Observer.

Indeed

At last Saturday's game, 18 consortiums were at the match. Either in the boardroom, directors box or overflowing into the stands. Madness, the sooner some of these goons get out of the way to let proper serious people through the better. Idiots like Jackson are messing things up and decent people are falling by the wayside. Hope that is intelligible enough for you.

Perhaps they have lost their apetite after seeing the bunfight. Perhaps they have realised football has moved on and they don't like what they see. Perhaps they were (in hindsight) never the right people to run the club. Perhaps they have realised it's best just to be fans. Perhaps I should never have got my hopes up. Sorry to be kind of obtuse here but I am trying to tread delicately and will have to hope you can get my drift from reading between the lines. I feel, if and when we do get bought, it will be from an outsider interest rather than someone already known, although this last bit is pure speculation from me.

I am hearing some disturbing news. I don't think Consortium A are interested any more. I hear the boardroom was a bit of a bunfight last week. My worse fears in my original post have been realised.