InvictaSaint

After seeing the crock of sh*t team that Wotte has put out, 4-1 sounds about right to me.

Did you not receive an invitation?

If we don't... "Wotte silly billy" (For all you Dennis Healey fans out there)

Wotte mistake-a to make-a (For all you Allo, Allo fans out there)

I thought he was being quite sympathetic to be honest. His lad often comes to Saints games.

And Raziak has scored for Watford...

Note the use of the phrase towards the end: "for the time being"

Am I the only one seeing this? Look at what the OS statement says: "Mark Wotte has been asked by the Board to take over as Head Coach" (The OS) Where is the ambiguity (or the hope!)? He is a permanent successor. The moving of the deckchairs on the White Star Lines ocean vessel has begun...

"Mark Wotte has been asked by the Board to take over as Head Coach" (The OS) Sounds permanent to me. Yippee.

After guiding a strong reserve side to a 2-1 defeat against mighty Millwall, Wotte certainly seems the ideal man for the job.... :-(

But it says that Wotte has taken over as Head Coach, and nothing about it being temporary. So one joker for another.

Thanks Lordswoodsaints - do you know anymore? If true, then surely significant - perhaps yesterday was the result rather than the catalyst?

Just a thought, but much has been written about the reaction of the players to the substitutions during yesterday's game; Perry's utter confusion and dismay at being taken off, Saints players whistling to the bench for instructions and just shrugging their shoulders when nothing was forthcoming. Despite what has been written by many, Paul Wotton is still here. If he is as cheesed off as reports have suggested, surely he, Perry, Kelvin and others must be looking at what is going on and thinking "we can't go on like this"? If nothing else, these more experienced pros must be concerned about how this madness is affecting the kids in the squad - how their morale and self-belief must be in tatters. Only a few short years ago, we had stories of Dodd, Beattie and others allegedly going to Lowe and complaining about Sturrock - and that was when things were comparatively good! What price a player revolt now, when our need is that much greater?

Thus spake Rupert Lowe at the AGM, in direct reference to the manager's / team's performance. Perhaps, in light of having won only once at home all season, with only 10 goals scored, and having now lost at home to 2 of our relegation rivals, Mr. Lowe would like to tell us how his review of the current situation could lead to anything other than the conclusion that his grandiose experiment has failed and that JP needs to go?

Micky, I wasn't ranting at you so apologies if it appeared that way; it was more a general rant at those who feel the situation can be salvaged or that there are positives to be taken. There simply aren't. I am just so angry at what has happened to our club.

How in the name of all that is holy did they "do what they had to do"???????!!!! Were they told to go out, go 2-0 down at home to a prime relegation rival, and only find the net in the last throes of the game? What a pathetic excuse for a manager - sorry, head coach - we have. A JOKE. GO NOW JAN WHILE YOUR DIGNITY IS JUST ABOUT INTACT

I'm sorry but that is apologist nonsense. We went into this game on the back of a (lucky) away win at Barnsley, and we knew EXACTLY what was needed - a win. Did we achieve that? No. What does that say about the mindset of the club? 2-0 down at home to yet another of our relegation rivals, until we finally pull a goal back in injury time, which is all too little too late. We have won ONE home game all seson - ONE!! It's beyond pathetic and if you think being two points off safety makes any ****ing difference at all with the clueless numpties in charge of football at SMS you are being seriously naive; what is going to turn our home form around after more than half the season? Nothing except a change of leadership. Otherwise, prepare for League 1; that's not hysteria, that's REALITY.

I sincerely hope that is intended to be ironic! ONE WIN at home ALL SEASON. Presumably all the other defeats were all unlucky too? JP OUT - LOWE OUT

Don't get me wrong - I agree with a lot of what you say. Philosophically, however, and perhaps even morally, is it 'right' for one person - irrespective of their job - to be earning more money than they can physically spend? This is what capitalism allows, of course and as you say there have always been the 'haves' and the 'have nots'. Marx would have a lot to say on this I would imagine! Perhaps if one moves away from the moral argument, the question of regulation is a more practicable one; our increasingly spineless European and national FAs are fiddling whilst Rome burns in that respect. This continuing lack of concern for what is happening to our national game is what will ultimately lead to its decline.

I bought a house I have decorated it and furnished it I tend to clean it myself I bought a car I have it maintained I eat out sometimes I but clothes I spend money (though not in Manchester) Why is nobody giving me a fanfare for being good for the economy? And why, despite a perfect credit score and regular monthly salary, will my bank of 26 years (LloydsTSB) not give me a £100 overdraft for one week? As you say, that is life. But I am sure Kaka's £200K a week or whatever it is makes his life a lot easier for him. Kicking a ball around for 90 minutes a week is, after all, hard work compared to the rest of us.

I wonder what they could have to be bitter about? The fact that we used to have a football club which punched above its weight, gave others a good game, treated its supporters with respect, entertained its fans perhaps? Or the fact that all that stability and solidity has been ****ed away by the current incumbents and their predecessors? The fact that Lowe's master plan now has us hovering above the trapdoor to League 1, the third tier of English football? Now who on earth could possibly feel any bitterness about that?

The single and most crucial difference being that Ted knew what he was doing, had a plan and could adapt where necessary; all of which qualities have been proven to be sadly lacking from the current incumbent.

"But I thought sometimes we gave them a difficult time". CLOUD.....CUCKOO.....LAND

Did you bother to read the post? If you had, you would have noticed that I said ignore it was against Man United - the comments those who were at the game are coming back with (niether you nor I were there, Adrian) are a microcosm of almost every other game this season - a season which has left us second from bottom of the CCC. This thread is not about the United game - but where we go from here given everything else which is now clearly falling apart.

As a season-ticket holder who did not go today, I have found it interesting to read others' comments on the game. The words/sentiments which keep coming up again and again, from those who were at the game primarily (but not exclusively), are: - no fight - no passion - no game plan / players not sure what is expected of them - poor team selection - players overly tired as too young and played too often - JP blaming everybody but himself - poor substitutions - occasional pretty football in the wrong (least effective) areas Ignore the fact that this was against Man United - these phrases mirror what I and others have been seeing all season. As somebody far wiser than me has already posted, I could appreciate a slow and gradual improvement over the season given our financial predicament and apparent need to rely on youth. However, that improvement has clearly not happened. I know we are fiscally screwed, I know this only too well. But are we all simply going to sit back and let this club of ours die in such a painful fashion? How much longer can/will we tolerate being told that this is the only way to do things and that everything is OK? To my mind, somebody with influence - or those wishing to become influential either through numbers or status - must now let RL know that we are heading inexorably for disaster; League 1 and probable administration. We need a manager with a canny eye for a cheap , experienced bargain player and a knack for getting the best out of young British players; we need a man with experience of this league and how to stay in it. To claim this is not possible is to go down the route of the biggest false economy in SFC history, for continuing with this mad experiment will lead to our demise, make no mistake. I don't blame the players - they will always have my support - but the owners and managers of this fine football club should now be taking a long, hard objective look at our situation and asking themselves what needs to be done to arrest our slide. How long can we afford to wait and sit idly by?