InvictaSaint

A reasoned post, to be sure, but one which has flawed arguments and assertions every where you look. As ESB has already pointed out, if only this were one very poor performance!! This is the latest in a long line of poor performances, which has led to us winning ONE game at home all season and scoring EIGHT goals! Is there a team anywhere in the league with a worse record?? This has been partly generated by inexperienced players who are still finding their feet but also presided over by a man who is patently and clearly out of his depth. I manage people every day and if my body language were the same as JP's was yesterday I would be out of a job! He has not been able to learn from his mistakes, continues to spout drivel in his interviews and does not appear to notice the predicament we are in. Nobody, least of all me, is trying to claim that we are anything but skint. However, being skint and having JP 'manage' us are not mutually dependent statements. There are plenty of teams with similar and worse squads than us who are doing far better because - guess what - the bloke on the touchline ACTUALLY KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING! Anybody with SFC in their blood will now admit that this insane experiment has to STOP NOW. There is no total football - that myth died months ago - and all that remains is a bunch of kids being led by a nice Dutch bloke who really doesn't have a clue. And please, don't hang the Reading result in front of my nose as proof of our progress; put a bunch of monkeys in a room with a typewriter and sooner or later one of them will come up with a piece of Shakespearian genius.

Charlton 2 Derby 1 (63 mins) :-(

Jan's reaction. Usual 'rabbit in headlamps' stuff with none-too-subtle OS/Lowe spin. What I would like to know is, why the **** he can't say what he said at half time, before the game starts: http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=11078

The usual Saturday evening spin on the OS will be a joy to read....."plucky, talented Saints almost snatched a point with a brave showing of total football at high flying Burnley". There, they don't even have to write it; I've done it for them.....

**** me, you really are trying to polish what is clearly a turd. Are you really that blind?

Send boys to do a man's job....this is what you get. Schoolboy errors made by the very schoolboys that t**t Lowe has decided to stake our very future on.

It's OK - the Dutch revolution will work, the boys are full of confidence, we can go there and get a result. F**k me, they see us coming a mile off. What a load of shi*e.

I had to chuckle at the way the OS article includes Kenwynne Jones as a 'product' of the Academy. I didn't know we had a T&T branch which also charges its own club £250,000 to sign players....

My son is almost four - he tells me he is ready to make the step up; or he could have been asking me to put the step up so he can go to the loo. I'll check and get back to you...

Negative people didn't get us relegated from the Premiership. Negative people didn't splurge £7m on players in a gamble which didn't work. Negative people didn't give Nigel Pearson the boot. Negative people didn't ask Rupert Lowe to come back. Negative people didn't employ a fourth-rate 'coach' with no CCC experience. Negative people didn't get rid of any decent players we had and use teenagers. So no, negative people are not killing the club; those responsible for the above, are.

Whether people 'want' administration or not is ultimately a totally moot point; we are not breaking even on crowd figures at SMS, crowd numbers are dipping after 1 home win in 9 (relegation form), there are no family jewels left to sell (Lallana and Schneiderlin may well go for a pittance in January, but this will only paper over the cracks and will simply lead to a further downturn in crowd numbers). When administration does come a'calling, it won't be because posters here wanted it; it will be because of Lowe's ego-driven experimentation with a coach who is out of his depth ("we just need to put them in the net" - no sh*t Sherlock) and players who, try as they might, just don't have the mettle or the experience. Expect the worst.

This made me chuckle (and choke, slightly) on the OS today. You couldn't make it up - Chemical Ali would have been proud: "Chairman Michael Wilde talks about the Club's ambitions for a return to the Premier League." That would be sometime in the 22nd Century then Michael, would it?

His manner during games, his obsession with playing one upfront when it CLEARLY does not work, and his increasingly desperate statements after games all tend to confirm that he is in way over his head. Not his fault - he's a nice guy it would appear; and who wouldn't take a gig like this if it were offered? - but this is only going to end badly. If Rupert thought the last time was ugly, this is going to be a whole new ball game.....

Where's your car-a-van, where's your caravan? My garden shed (my garden shed) is bigger than this (is bigger than this) My garden shed is bigger than this It's got a door and four windows My garden shed is bigger than this! It's nice to know you're here It's nice to know you're here It's nice to know you're here Now f**k off!!!

Unfortunately, whilst I admire your optimism and spirit, if we don't sort the full-back problems, it won't matter one jot what the Orgasmatron and Spiderman do...... (Woody Allen reference there for anybody old enough to remember 'Sleepers' :-) )

Any.....second....now.....

I am fairly sure the irony has escaped you.....feel free to put me right.

Funky Cold Medina

They have even said they will heavily subsidise wages if necessary.

It's barley worth arguing about to be honest.

Wonder what spin the increasingly desperate OS will put on this result? After all, in the week there was a piece about 'all' the other teams we have played telling us how we were the best opposition they had come up against this season!! Yeah....bet they were saying that all the way back to the coach with three points in the bag!! Absolute joke. Stalin would have been very proud of our OS....

If we ever get back to the Prem I am sure I would 'enjoy' it whilst it lasted. But let's not kid ourselves, the PL is now so far removed from what it was even 3 years ago, it's not true. Money talks at every level, competition is minimal, enjoyment is for the top 3 and those who manage to survive. It is, however, just another example of capitalism gone mad and just like the South Sea Bubble, it will eventually pop. If one is so shallow that the superficial glamour, hype and plain b******t that surrounds the PL floats one's boat, then fine - enjoy. But to pretend it is anything other than a money launderer's whorehouse is blinkered beyond belief. The CCC may not be numero uno in the quality stakes, but its honesty and the affinity its clubs have with their supporters is refreshing in such money-oriented, superficial times for football.

Am still 'happier' to have seen some Saints players wh have affinity with the club trying their hearts out until the end. As Sky said, their heads never dropped. But this is VERY worrying. As others have said, we don't seem to havea plan B and we look incredibly lightweight. Even in League 1 I could see us struggling playing this type of football. Great to watch - our goal being a prime example - but just so horribly incongruous with what it takes to compete in this league, never mind win it. I can see us losing to Ipswich and possible even a battle-hardened Barnsley (rather like Blackpool), at which point the total football revolution may be seen for what it actually is....great with experienced players, a massive gamble on the future of the club with kids. League 1 beckons I fear....

5 league games, 4 defeats, Svensson probably crocked, Lancashire suspended for 3 games now....they are going to have to learn quickly in this league, but I am afraid I just can't see it happening quickly enough to save us.