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I think your points are valid, but the only thing you forgot was that even when supporters do get to see games live and in the flesh, then it's still a perception thing. Because I would have to say that I have rarely seen great football at St Mary's, crap results, and more bad football than good.

I think they've ebbed and flowed a bit over the years, but I'd imagine a good turnout from them today considering their league position and recent form. Think it's also a promotional day for kids, so the Chapel won't get their usual quiet afternoon as the seat bangers will be out in force!!!! My guess 19,243

I do agree with this point, and I said so a couple of times in the posts above. But what I took exception to was: (a) your idea that although we're only valued at circa £5m, this was understated because we have a number of other assets that would inflate this price, a rationale that doesn't bear up to any scrutiny given we've also got circa £30m worth of debts and creditors. If anything, given our debt, our loss making position and the recent history with regards the sale of Championship clubs, even that £5m is on the bullish side. (b) your idea that if we defaulted on the "stadium mortgage" we would become debt free with regards this loan (with the insinuation that these creditors and debts shouldn't really be included) is seriously simplifying the position. Indeed, all of those assets you referred to in your first post would go in a firesale in order to meet our obligations. And that's all I had a problem with, i.e. the over simplification of this area, something that sadly others do in a similar way when discussing Administration. I just fear that it's a dangerous mindset to get into just saying, we can default, or we can go into administration and everything will be OK. The credit union might be left with a stadium and not much more, but IMHO we too would be left with fck all, because they would not sit meekly by and accept the situation. We would be put in administration and anything worth selling sold to pay off our debts. Or even if an agreement could be reached, what would be left from our side would not make pretty reading. With all due respect, you have gone off on one again here. There have been a number of posts, indeed threads, from a myriad of posters about alternatives (good and bad), about how this might be achieved, about what would be required, about how feasible (or unfeasible) it is, about compromises, about looking forward etc. Now of course you may not agree with them, but to suggest people have not engaged with this and put up their views and opinions is rather disengenuous. And in listing those stupid reasons, trotted out by a few posters, you have conveniently glossed over the majority of posters who want a change, who have expressed their thoughts and reasons in a much more elegant, well thought out and rounded way. It would be akin to me saying that all those who are Pro Lowe are of the same mind as the Scooby fella who used to post on here. But that would just be lame, lazy, ignorant and missing the very many validly held and espoused views by those supporters who do not believe there should be change at the top.

My gut feel is that it will go to the wire. Of course if we win, or lose, the next 5 then our fate will probably be decided, but I reckon we'll pick up 5-9 points and still be very much in the relegation battle and it will come down to the last couple of matches, with that last day's fixtures throwing up some mad games. Given our current position, I don't think we should be too disappointed even if we're not out of the bottom three after these games, as long as we keep in touch with those above us, because ultimately if we can start upping our points, then I think teams like Plymouth and Barnsley will fall through the trapdoor (fingers crossed anyway). Our current form is 16th at the moment, which is promising. That's slightly behind Watford, but ahead of Barnsley, Norwich, Charlton & Plymouth (who are rock bottom).

Glad to be of assistance, now feel free to go off and be a real mentalist LOL. Huzzzzzzzzahhhhh

It's ph, FFS.

Westoner was one of my old pseudonyms, also used by a few others, no names mentioned (a sort of shared user name LOL). Does that answer your question??

But he never fails to deliver, does he, LOL!!!!!! I just knew he'd go mental, but it just had to be done. Ouch, I'm getting shooting pains all over, I reckon the fcker's sticking needles in all over the show.

You do know he'll be knocking up a voodoo doll of you now!!!!!! He's our sides;) version of Scooby!!!!!!!!! (my doll will be dusted off now)

I presume to Sham 69's Hersham Boys?????

Plus this will be their third game in 6 days. I'd think about changing the team now and just tell Wotton to kick everyone up in the air!!!!

I got ripped about it Saturday night and Monday at work, so no idea who you told about it. Was nice to see LS and also understand there was some good news this week after talking to RK's lad. Popped in The Wine Bar after, but you weren't there, don't reckon they let you in!!!!!! Next time you walk by, I'll hide!!!!!!!

That's a strange post. Now if I have breached any of the forum rules, I would fully accept the ramifications, but for you to judge that I (or others) have started on NickG is slightly weird. Is this your view as a Mod, or just your personal view? As I have pointed out, going by the content of some of his posts he is hardly a wallflower, so not sure why he is now the precious (and protected) one. He has been constant in his condemnation of many things on here (notably the protest, the protesters and he has also been very critical of the young lad running it), so are we not allowed to challenge these perceptions, provide the answers he was demanding and put across an alternative viewpoint?

(To the tune of "The Lambeth Walk") When you walk down Wembley Way, You will here the Saints say, We're gonna stuff, Forest and Brian Clough © 1979 League Cup Final

But that's the whole problem with NickG. People respond to his questions or points, or they provide an explanation etc, but for some reason he just ignores them and then trots out the same rubbish time and time again. No idea what he's trying to prove with this style of asking questions/raising points and then ignoring the replies. They may not be the answers he wanted or expected, and they may not even be answers he agrees with, but rather than debate the points, he just disappears, only to pop up again and put across the same questions/points as on the previous day.

Shall we add this little outburst to : fools, bitter fools, drama queens, miserable, not very bright, bitter old fool, arrogant, obsessive, fool filled with spite, moronic, immature idiot, and an embarrassment (got bored at this point), And as I have said before, it's quite laughable how all of a sudden you've suddenly become extremely precious and a retiring wallflower!!!! Do you want your ball back now?

Which is a rather strange statement, given your posts on here and your continual refusal to accept that someone else might be doing or saying something that you might not agree with;) and your continual droning on and on and on and continually posing the same questions despite them being answered.:smt048

And I'm quite sure you were accusing those of us who had our doubts with regards Poortvliet in exactly the same way.**** It's all about opinions NickG, but sadly you would appear to be too one dimensional to appreciate that (as is regularly demonstrated by your posts on here). **** Now having seen your quotes above re Poortvliet, I think it's safe to say case close M'Lold LOL

And that's your opinion. We know what it is, you've made it abundantly clear, you've droned on and on, you've let us know about it almost every day for ages now, and I'm sure you'll carry on bringing it up every day going forward as well. You've ignored every post answering your points and then posted the same questions over and over again:smt082:rolleyes: They may not be the answers you want to hear, and they may not be answers you agree with or can resonate with, but your questions/points have all been answered.

And you keep being told;) Yet for some strange reason you ask the same question every day LOL:D

And what about me NickG, as I wasn't protesting against Wotte:rolleyes::rolleyes:?

I've become blase' about it. Can take it or leave it nowadays;)

LOL, it did cross my mind. Invite him back, but make it so impossible for him to accept, or make it so unbearable when he's on board that it never happens, or lasts. There has to be something tangibly different for it to be worthwhile. In the short term unity, spirit and togetherness, after that something to ensure we don't keep making these stupid mistakes!!!!!!!

1-1 Got draw written all over it, which is an OK result (providing no surprises from the other teams). We don't have to win every game.

Given the initial cost and losses of The Saint, then it might have been cheaper to bus/fly in all our far flung fans for free.