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The drop in average attendances from 22,000 last season to 16,000 is about 6,000 of which 5,000 is down to the Chairman;) Another 5,000+ which would take the attendance up to circa 27,000 are staying because of performances. HTH

OK thanks for that. You just carry on in your little dreamworld thinking that there are thousands of Saints fans who have had their weekends ruined because we won;)

Great article which resonates with me. Recommended reading IMHO, does anyone know thye author???? "Whichever way you cut it, the decision to exclude experience for youth, has undoubtedly cost us far more than it has saved, including quite possibly our status in the division, however less likely that looks this morning."

And one who didn't do a very good job at the end last time around, and one who's probably doing an even worse job this time around??? Because there is no one else out the big, wide world who would be able to do it:rolleyes::smt048:rolleyes::smt048

I thought he was comparing him to the young French lad we blew all that money on;)

Thats' not what Crouch said at the AGM!!!!!!!!!!! We did not have to go the whole hog with regards the youth policy at the start of the season and even given our financial constraints then we still had some leeway over who we bought in and over who we played.

And I find it perverse that you and others trot out such lame lines. We've had two threads running for those to register if they want Saints to fail just so we can be rid of Lowe & co, and both threads got a minimal response. I find it strange how you (and others) think that anyone apart from a couple of nutters get any pleasure out of Saints losing, or conversely get upset when we win.

And did you think the protest added to or detracted from yesterdays atmosphere?? And if you're being so demanding that we all stick together and rally round the team, then surely you could make the fcking effort to go to matches:rolleyes::rolleyes:

But that's only half of the plan (if that) and as I have said elsewhere any fool can cut costs. What proves someone's mettle is getting things right on the pitch and that strategy has been found to wanting big time, in fact it's totally bankrupt. And in a way it is the poor decisions made during the cost cutting that has also played it's role in the disaster that is this season. I wouldn't trust the man with any future decisions.

Well they can hardly be that passionate about such a claim then, which therefore renders the need for such jibes to be rather pointless. We're talking about a handful at best, which is why posts like yours and SOG's are rather tiresome and somewhat insulting in your insinuations. It's also quite lame and a bit like those who try and say people are against Lowe solely beacuse of his background, love of hockey etc, which is rather insulting to those who have very valid and well thought out reasons for their opposition.

Just because we stay up, and by God do I hope we can manage it, then IMHO it will not validate his plan one bit, not least because his plan has entirely gone out of the window. 50% of the Revolutionary Coaching set up didn't last 30 games, the youth experiment has been shown up as wishful thinking (I wonder whjat Chris Iwelumo would say now?) and we are no reliant on the experienced players that Lowe did so much to bomb out of the Club. We are where we are now, more by luck, than by judgement.

Rory Delap is no midget either. He's as tall as me and I'm a smidgen over 6ft.

I really don't get this. We've had two threads running for those to register if they want Saints to fail just so we can be rid of Lowe & co, and both threads got a minimal response. I find it strange how you (and others) think that anyone apart from a couple of nutters get any pleasure out of Saints losing, or conversely get upset when we win.

Being totally honest DellDays you have adopted a different tone and approach recently. I certainly can't remember you being so antagonistic and argumentative in the past. Pre submerging tension? Chill out a bit and don't be so argumentative, leave that for the various other numpties on here.

Average attendance was pretty similar. However, one thing that is worth mentioning is that season tickets underpin crowds and a decent number were sold for our first season down when we were still in with a shout of being in the Prem. Therefore to hold up in the second year could arguably be said to be a good effort. Whether this was as a result of the new regime/Lowe going is impossible to judge. Additionally, I think the season ticket take up when Lowe left was quite dramatic. From memory season tickets went from something like 7,000 in early July to almost 14,000 by the time the season started. Obviously, the total increases through the close season, but I think that was more than what was expected given previous ticket sales patterns. And of course the drop off this season has been quite profound (something like 6,000). How much of that is down to last years poor performances affecting season ticket sales, and how much is down to Lowe (direct or otherwise) will never be able to be proved either way.

I do hope your tongue was firmly in your cheek there!!!!!!!! IMHO;) he took a wedge when he left and let's just say he jumped before he was pushed.

John was told before the season started to look for another team and Poortvliet was not interested in playing him as he believed John only really performed in a 4-4-2 set up. He even said this publicly when John went to City. He got the odd game, but at one point even the lad who's now at Bournemouth got the nod ahead of him.

Hello Mr Pot:smt115

Come on it's obvious isn't it:smt048:smt048 He brings in someone really bad, let's him run the team into the ground, sacks him and brings in the man he wanted 2 years ago so that the recovery looks even better. That's totally rational isn't it???

We are as good as finished I tell you!!!!! If the Academy sticks with 4-3-3, you're quite right that it will be impossible for them to step up and play a different system in the first team. Don't believe the hype. I had to laugh at some twonk on another forum trying to claim that players who play in the 4-3-3 system are actually worth more!!!!

Oh!!!! Still think a point wouldn't be a bad point and then a couple out of those games as well just to keep us in touch before we get to some really winnable matches.

You're right with Shipperley and I have to say that in his last season here he probably takes the award of largest centre forward. Good shout.

It's the rewriting of history that has made me chuckle. Many posters have been crying out for a striker, be it one of those we've loaned out or getting someone else in, and when Saga came back on the scene the overwhelming verdict was that it was good news. Indeed, there was even the furore about getting his papers cleared so that he could play immediately and make sure we didn't loan him out again.

Exactly. I'm not saying he was responsible for everything, as ultimately I'd like to think that Poortvliet had the last say, but he was defintiely complicit to some degree. I just don't particularly like the rewriting of history and blaming Jan for everything when this was always sold to us as a Revolutionary Coaching Set Up with a seamless tranistion, coaches interchanging etc etc etc. Rich, I would be wary of all the little briefings and snippets coming out of St Mary's in recent weeks. There is a campaign to portray Poortvliet as the villain and to exonerate Wotte from any blame and to give him a clean slate as he's now the gaffer, but he has to take his share of stick for his part in this awful season. And of the two of them, Wotte most definitley is the one with the "reputation" and a fair bit of history. But what these little t1tbits do tell us is that this Revolutionary Coaching Set Up was a total fck up right from the very start. It makes the Wigley decision almost rational!!!!!!!!!!!!!