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Ian Wright and Ian Rush spring to mind to me, but then again they were so prolific in their days they were probably scoring against every team!!! Andy Ritchie pops up, but that might just be the importance of his goal(s), as does Eric gates (in his Ipswich days), but could have been any of that good Ipswich side. Whatmore of Bolton (along with Franky Worthington) got a few goals against us when we were promotion rivals. Nigel Callaghan (Watford) and Graham Roberts (Spurs) also ring bells. Is there a website or a definitive list out there anywhere????

Should be eminently possible (and perhaps even a requirement) to see both your past and your future as being important. One gives you memories of what the Club has been, whilst the other gives you dreams of what it might be. And I see that as being totally separate to an ongoing feud between 3 or 4 people.

Full Time At The Dell has it all documented and is another good read from the Hagiography boys

It was something along the lines of "a former player who headed a so called consortium cost us important time in our efforts to rescue the club" and "these people from behind the scenes continue to seek to harm the club in pursuit of their personal agendas". It was around the time when the Pardew Out rumours were reaching a peak (programme pulled & club refuting the rumours) and I think Matty and others had expressed an opinion on the situation in the press.

In the late 70's there was talk of buying the garage behind the Milton Road end, closing the road there and extending the Milton Road Terrace. The council wouldn't allow this. Then there was talk of buying the rows of houses behind The East Stand and turn the ground 90 degrees (this was around the same time as Wovles did their 90 turn). Not sure how far that got. There were also plans to mimic the new two tier Milton (circa 1981) up the Archers but once again the council wouldn't allow it.

But none of this (and I don't agree with everything you have put above) is the same as saying Matty came close to destroying this Club. That is the part of your claim that I just simply do not accept.

Can we at least make sure that this thread doesn't descend in to the disgraceful knocking of the Ex Saints Charity that happened last time around it was used as a political football by some to score some cheap points. It's a great little charity, doing great work for many years and is certainly a positive with regards the local community and the Club itself. As for this current piece of tittle tattle, well for me it's just the next round in this pointless and unnecessary feud.

It's been going both ways for quite a while now. Cortese at one point was accusing MLT and others of seeking to harm the club in pursuit of their personal agendas, whilst MLT and others have been giving it some as well.

But bothered enough to bring it up in an interview when everything appeared to have died down???

And a possible answer could have been: "With all the good things going on around the Club at the moment I would rather focus on the positives. We're doing well on and off the pitch, so would rather not go back over old ground. Let's focus on our great start to the season and our ambitions for the future". For someone so shrewd and sharp, it should have been fairly simple to side step this issue. Cortese was fairly savage about Matty's role in the Pinnacle take over a little while back. Obviously people will judge the digs/insults differently, but I think it is unfair to say it's one way traffic, or that one side has been worse than the other as both sides have displayed a great degree of ego, posturing and immature behaviour.

Absolutely, the price others may want to pay may simply not reconcile with the cost to the selling club.

LOL, there's a part of me that likes Eddie Mitchell giving as good as he gets (only a small part mind!!!). Well perhaps whoever is advising him needs to step up their game, plus the Italians are aware of how important history is to their clubs (I loved the fact that Juventus played Notts County to open their new ground when they could have played any host of more famous clubs).

An if and a but here Lord Duckhunter. But I don't think it has to be that way, in that I think a Club should always celebrate, honour and even exploit its past. Its a part of what makes football clubs so special to their supporters and cornerstone of the community they serve. And I think Cortese has recognised the importance of the Club on a number of occasions (St Marco above has highlighted some of them). It just seems to be that he has a real problem with 2 or 3 individuals and then anything they put their names to!!!!!

And the fact that you describe the situation as being so desperate and Fry had no idea that other buyers were willing to jump in, would, in my mind, somewhat justify Matt's decision to back what was looking like the only game in town (hell, I was even considering Wacko Jacko's bid, if the alternative was the disappearance of Saints!!!). Therefore, in the context you suggest, I think it would be well over the top to suggest that Matty came close to destroying the Club as you did earlier!!

It might be the old fogey in me and I need to get up to sorts with player inflation, but I just struggle to think that a Championship striker should command a £5M fee. Against that I accept that it might be a fair reflection of the worth of a player to a team, particularly given the financial rewards of promotion to the top flight. WouldI be happy for Ricky or Adam to be sold for £5m?? I very much doubt it for Ricky and no way for Adam, so maybe £5m might be the going rate for a top rate player in this league. Then was Rodrigues the man for us, who knows?? Adkins certainly seemed to think so given how far down the line we went with him and I would agree that we need something else up front.

I think he's done a fair bit more positive than merely appoingting NA and I'm also not convinced that NA was the one on everyones lips (and Cortese merely followed the crowd!!).

I've mentioned elsewhere that Stelling had a pair of size 12's and that his intervention is as unnecessary & unwarranted as everyone elses in the history of this sorry saga (from Benali ***** on the sofa of Soccer AM, Cortese's cutting piece about Matty on the OS through to Matty and Lawrie in their Daily Mail pieces). Cortese's bit in The Sun was simply unnecessary and unwarranted given our current position and he has either been poorly advised or guilty of poor judgement himself.

But Wes he just didn't even have to mention them and give this whole sorry saga a new lease of life. With all the positives we have to focus on at the moment he shouldn't have given the interviewer the time of day on this area if he was being prompted about it, and he certainly shouldn't have volunteered it himself (if the interviewer didn't prompt him). Poor judgement, IMHO, and not necessary.

Thought it was outside the box

Would settle for a draw here, but if those injuries Cardiff picked up yesterday are still niggling their players then might upgrade to a win!!!! Think it will be a tough terst regardless and could see Adkins playing a more defensive minded line up (e.g. Guly out and Spiderman or Chaplow starting).

It's weird in exactly the same way as when the Ex Saints Charity got dragged in to the Matty v Cortese ego battle a few months back, all of a sudden posters on here were denegrating the Ex Saints. The Ex Saints were questioned about their charitable status, with people questioning whether they really were a charity, others started having a pop about admin costs, others attacked their fund raising record, others claimed they were unfairly trading off the back of the club's name (well isn't that the whole point) whilst others said they were in competition with the Club. For years (and again yesterday) they have done a sterling job working with past players, the Club and charities, but because they might be "involved" in this spat all of a suddent they're fair game to have a pop at. "Once Matty stopped playing that was that" and "he's no different to a check out girl at Tescos" - Unbelievable has never been more apt.

No idea (without cheating), don't watch new tricks so don't know what it's about

I'm presuming 2 is when he starred in that film (yesterdays man or yesterdays hero) where he played some washed up born agaion player (a George Best type) and the match was used as the backdrop with him playing in a saints kit (Twas Yesterdays Hero)

At the risk of repeating myself, before Stelling put his size 12's in, there was already 2 threads running about the story within hours of it first appearing on the Sun's website. One of the threads was already close to 200 posts a few hours after people had woken up, so I wouldn't describe that as "very little was being said". I don't agree with anyone washing their dirty linen in public like this, and that includes Stelling, Benali, Lawrie and Matty, but on this occasion Cortese has stoked up the siimmering feud with his unnecessary piece in The Sun. In recent weeks both Matty and Lawrie had been overwhelmingly positive about the Club in the press (particularly in The Echo) and I had thought that maybe we had gotten over their personal clash of egos with Cortese, but that was all opened up again the minute Cortese gave this ill advised interview.

Probably the same posters who go mental when a player leaves and shows a distinct lack of the loyalty they desperately crave and believe players must show us.