Sir Ralph

Evidence please? I’ve given you evidence that the blue hair and nose ring brigade get leniency. I would love to take your word for it but experience tells me otherwise

You didn’t answer my question about the disparity in approach and are changing the point I’m making. You fudged it. Like I said lots of times if everyone was charged consistently no problem. They aren’t and I’ve given you evidence which you have conveniently ignored.

I agree if he broke the law technically he should be charged. However the charges are pathetic and for similar actions or even worse actions for others the police won’t even investigate. I wouldn’t have a problem if the police were consistent but they pick and choose their charges based on the situation. That is my beef even though I’ve said it ten times! Again my issue is the disparity in the policing approach for charging and sentencing. What do you make of the charging and sentencing differences between BLM and the illegal migrant protests? Looks like they are keener to deter some people than others.

The police will never not charge someone with something they can substantiate. They couldn’t substantiate anything else other than the remaining pathetic charges but went ahead anyway. I’m confused by the suggestion that the police have somehow been lenient or reasonable because of this. I’ve no doubt that if they thought they could get him on that charge they would have done With your suggestion that there isn’t two tier policing what do you make of the charges and sentencing differences between BLM and illegal migrant protests?

I am angry about it. I rarely get annoyed. You should have a word with some of your leftie mates who often lose the plot. Surely you don’t take a two tier approach to different people who get angry?! Chat Gpts summary of the sentencing for similar offences in the BLM and illegal migrant protests. Of course the British police and judiciary are fair. The evidence does show a noticeable difference in overall outcomes. Following the 2024–26 anti-immigration/asylum-hotel disorder, people convicted of violent disorder have frequently received immediate prison sentences of roughly two to three years, with substantially longer terms for riot, serious arson or other aggravated offending. Serious violence also occurred around the 2020 BLM protests—including attacks on police—but there appears to have been a much smaller body of BLM participants receiving comparable multi-year sentences. Some BLM-related cases instead resulted in conditional cautions, acquittals or relatively modest sentences.

Well they couldn’t get him on a charge of endangering life so they went with not handing out the mobile pin. Being treated proportionately would only be known on sentencing if found guilty

Difference is he didn’t sink a boat with anyone in it. The fact they have arrested him on those charges is pretty embarrassing. Do you honestly think the guy who threw a plastic bottle should get the same time as a pedo or illegal immigrant smuggler?

Tougher sentences to deter only a certain category of people. Make 5000 indecent images of kids at the school next door, smuggle over 100 illegal immigrants across borders risking their lives and get the same sentence as throwing a small plastic bottle and swearing at the police. Those sentences deter the latter not the former and are very clearly two tier. Deter the protester throwing bottles but not the illegal immigrant smuggler or the pedo. Yes I’m pissed I used to respect the police / judiciary. With incoherent sentences like this not any more. I pay my tax for a fair police and judiciary not bullshit like this. Another thing reform need to address if they get in. Even officers (I have a couple of friends who are in it) think the senior leadership of their forces are a joke and often more interested in woke policies than doing the job. One of them said he doesn’t want to be promoted cause he will be forced to put policies in place by senior officers that his colleagues don’t agree with. Says a lot

@aintforever which part is that funny to you? The bit with the guy preparing 5000 images of kids only getting a couple of years?

British justice in two stories below. What a joke the police and judiciary are. Essentially the same sentence for throwing a plastic bottle compared to creating 5,000 indecent images of children in the school next door. Two tier is alive and kicking. And Danny Thompson has now only being arrested for criminal damage and refusing to give his mobile pin to the police (as everyone said there was nobody in the boat in the video). What a joke they are. Very little respect for them anymore. House or car robbed - not interested. Man cut illegal immigrant rubber dinghy - arrest and charge. Bellendshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crkgwe3egpzgo https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62kw7pqjw0zo https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8vgy7ww21rqo

Yes I would. If you can’t tell the difference between sinking a ship and slashing a dinghy with one person who stepped onto another boat I can’t help you with that rationale. God forbid one of your family members turns over a kayak of their mates when out and it sinks. 10 year minimum

They are all considerations in sentencing but the captain was risking the lives of over 100 people working for criminal gangs illegally smuggling people across borders. The question would be if what this Thompson guy did is comparable or worse. To me the answer is pretty clear

Including the 2 years and 3 months for the Captain of the mega migrant boat?

Thats purely speculative. There’s one thing doing what he does and another risking the lives of tens or hundreds of people. If he did try to do this to drown people then he would clearly be a terrible human. All the speculation in the world won’t tell you this

You mean like the two years and 3 months for the guy who captained the mega boat with over 100 illegal migrants in it and risked all their lives and his. The same judiciary surely wanted to deter others from risking the lives of hundreds of people but the sentence doesn’t. If you compare the two, this guy who slashed the boat should even be getting a jail sentence in this context.

That’s not a response to justify the generic comment you made. From this is assume you don’t disagree with me.

Another generic statement. In terms of what I have said, specifically what do you disagree with?

I didn’t say he wouldn’t be I said the punishment needs to be proportionate and not politically motivated. In my opinion this is a relatively minor discretion

Susie, I didn’t realise you voted Reform or Restore.😂

They are stopping the general public and military from going about their business. The is not the same level of disruption compared to a single empty boat being slashed and a French worker having to step off onto the neighbouring boat. Punishment needs to be disproportionate to the action or crime. He should be punished if the law says so but it needs to be proportionate and not politically motivated

I didn’t comment on the rights and wrong of what he did. I said that I didn’t believe he was endangering life and that an action like that shouldn’t result in a heavy punishment. If he had slashed the boat and then stopped the French worker from entering his boat or the neighbouring lifeboat I would agree that is dangerous but that doesn’t appear to be the case. I agree the action in itself won’t reduce illegal immigration but some people might say that actions like this are intended to get media attention to keep the issue at the top of the news stories, which seems to be the case

It hardly endangering life - if there was an emergency worker in the boat (which i couldn’t see) they would have stepped into his boat. If they had refused to let the emergency worker on a different matter. Storm in a teacup and all politically motivated. Bet he gets a Jail sentence longer than the guy who captained the mega boat and endangered over one hundred lives

That’s an absolute corker Susie. I’ll have to add “humour” to “vocabulary” in terms of your significant attributes. You’ve really come out of your shell recently, well done.

"I am". Well done 😂 I hadnt given it any mental consideration whatsoever, hence why I put it out there. Joining the Euro will be too close a union with the EU for most of the electorate to swallow, I suspect. It depends how pragmatic the EU and its representative members want to be regarding this. Criticism in the past has been that they havent read the room so will be interesting to see if they do. My personal view is that we should rejoin, but I do sense a degree of arrogance and beauracracy with EU decision making, so lets see.

Yes as I said I’m not sure so assume you’re correct. Politically Labour may want a referendum so it isn’t criticised for being “undemocratic” as people may argue that Labour voters voted for them and other policies not EU membership solely. That’s a political decision. Would be interesting to see the terms the EU offers us, bearing in mind we left but that they also want to offer attractive enough terms that we rejoin (through whatever mechanism that is). If the terms aren’t perceived to be good and labour are basing their GE campaign on this, it would reduce its chances of being reelected