Sir Ralph

I didn’t say he wouldn’t be I said the punishment needs to be proportionate and not politically motivated. In my opinion this is a relatively minor discretion

Susie, I didn’t realise you voted Reform or Restore.😂

They are stopping the general public and military from going about their business. The is not the same level of disruption compared to a single empty boat being slashed and a French worker having to step off onto the neighbouring boat. Punishment needs to be disproportionate to the action or crime. He should be punished if the law says so but it needs to be proportionate and not politically motivated

I didn’t comment on the rights and wrong of what he did. I said that I didn’t believe he was endangering life and that an action like that shouldn’t result in a heavy punishment. If he had slashed the boat and then stopped the French worker from entering his boat or the neighbouring lifeboat I would agree that is dangerous but that doesn’t appear to be the case. I agree the action in itself won’t reduce illegal immigration but some people might say that actions like this are intended to get media attention to keep the issue at the top of the news stories, which seems to be the case

It hardly endangering life - if there was an emergency worker in the boat (which i couldn’t see) they would have stepped into his boat. If they had refused to let the emergency worker on a different matter. Storm in a teacup and all politically motivated. Bet he gets a Jail sentence longer than the guy who captained the mega boat and endangered over one hundred lives

That’s an absolute corker Susie. I’ll have to add “humour” to “vocabulary” in terms of your significant attributes. You’ve really come out of your shell recently, well done.

"I am". Well done 😂 I hadnt given it any mental consideration whatsoever, hence why I put it out there. Joining the Euro will be too close a union with the EU for most of the electorate to swallow, I suspect. It depends how pragmatic the EU and its representative members want to be regarding this. Criticism in the past has been that they havent read the room so will be interesting to see if they do. My personal view is that we should rejoin, but I do sense a degree of arrogance and beauracracy with EU decision making, so lets see.

Yes as I said I’m not sure so assume you’re correct. Politically Labour may want a referendum so it isn’t criticised for being “undemocratic” as people may argue that Labour voters voted for them and other policies not EU membership solely. That’s a political decision. Would be interesting to see the terms the EU offers us, bearing in mind we left but that they also want to offer attractive enough terms that we rejoin (through whatever mechanism that is). If the terms aren’t perceived to be good and labour are basing their GE campaign on this, it would reduce its chances of being reelected

Fair enough I’m not sure of the legalities of leaving and rejoining. I suspect Labour may GE campaign on a referendum being put to the people in the knowledge I suspect that more than 50% will vote to rejoin

Yes but will it still need a referendum even if they are re elected? Assume it would

I assume another referendum will be required? If so we need to negotiate good terms with the eu or the electorate won’t vote for it

Well I won’t get into the wealth tax again. You greedy wotsit only wanting taxes after you have left! I’ll have to nickname you “Jim” 😉

Although tax receipts were higher in August compared with a year ago, spending on public services, benefits, and other costs grew more as the pace of price rises increased. clear solution - Reduce spending

How do we know he can still have day to day involvement. Though?

That could annually employ 5 teachers instead and educate 150 kids per year

For people whom I truly respect, like Susie D, to say these things about me really cuts deep. Tell your wife to stay strong. I just hope Susie doesn’t unleash more of his new found vocabulary on us all. Terrifying. He has come a long way from the days when he posted pictures of poos and bums when referring to other posters. I would like to think you and I were, and are, part of his ongoing journey towards intellectual mediocrity 🤣

“Futile” and “despicable”, I’ll have to nickname you “The Thesaurus” or “Susie Dent” instead! I still hold my views on the two child welfare cap, yes.

A few lefties attempting to 'ridicule' me is fine. You will see from my posts over the weekend, some of them can engage properly, others struggle to justify their positions. 'Ridicule' is more evidence of your increasingly expansive vocabulary. The teachers will be moving you up to the 'green' books soon.🤣

@JohnnyShearer2.0 (aka 'the Flake') - have you managed to come up with the responses to the at least 5 questions you havent been able to answer? As you will see I answered all of yours on the basis you would respond but its feeling very much like you are unable to. I appreciate that your in a sticky situation on some of the responses but sometimes you can just agree you might not be absolutely correct. In life generally, you will gain more credibility that way rather than ignoring questions.

You must have noticed other people using the word 'irony' and looked it up in the big book called the 'Dictionary' and now you are using it in real messages to people. Go Mickey! 🤣

Getting sacked in the public sector (other than austerity) there is more chance of an asteroid striking earth. Have you worked in both sectors? There is no evidence publicly available either way. There is evidence that private sector employees work more hours than the public sector (33 per week versus 30 on average). As I said before this is my experience or is my experience wrong?

Not really though is it. It’s just the answer you don’t want where is the deflection?

This would be targeted at specific public sectors. The courts and education for example shouldn’t be. If people commit a crime they need to be processed and kids need to be taught. My statement isn’t sweeping in relation to every sector. I deal with these sectors regularly and within the private sector I can tell you they are not well thought of in terms of the number of people unnecessarily employed and the red tape created. We all speak from personal experience. I also know people in the public sector who would agree with my stance.

And what happens to those businesses - they fail and are liquidated. So there is a serious consequence. im not talking about that anyway. I’m saying that my view is that public sector budgets could be reduced because there are too many bureaucrats justifying their jobs by creating red tape. Deregulate and you make business easier whilst reducing your budget. As I said pay the good public sector workers more to retain them.

But they have less knowledge on these matters than the posters on here? If you genuinely think that then I’m I know the difference between economics and business. However to run a successful business you need to have a knowledge of economics and levers government has, particularly when running a large business or having large investments. This includes the top advisors they have around them. They need to understand economics to make business decisions. im not going to end up in a discussion about trumps policies as this isn’t the thread but his approach is less than 1%. Regardless it would cause inflationary issues.