Sir Ralph

Again - where have I deflected? Straight answer please. No fudging.

Answers please or are you stuck? You say I’m lying shall I pull out the unanswered questions so we can see who is lying? Two more questions - these should be easy. Cmon you can do it

So you think that billionaires and leading business people know the equivalent or less about economics than posters on this forum for example? If you do that if frankly astounding! Business and economics overlap, particularly when we are talking about large businesses and investors. I think Trump has made some positive decisions such as businesses being able to deduct investment costs and deregulation. I’m not convinced by his tariffs policy nor tax / spending decisions that have resulted in a larger deficit. He seems to be conservative but have got confused with some of his policies that run contrary to conservative ethos.

That’s a fair comment but we all speak from experience. My experience in liaising with the public sector is that the output of low performing individuals is more tolerated and there are more of them than the private sector. Using the contracts that private sector get from the public sector is a great example. They (the public sector)often get ripped off and don’t get the value for money for the taxpayer. In most cases I don’t believe if a private sector company was negotiating a similar contract they would get ripped off like that. As I said we all speak from experience. Personally I think that there should be fewer people in the public sector but pay the fewer more to secure better quality talent.

Would you describe Radcliffe and the other billionaires and high profile businesss people who are making the relevant noises as successful and knowledgeable on economic matters? You didn’t answer the question - you fudged it. Are you saying that these high profile business people and billionaires making these noises as a whole know more about economics than the posters on here for example?

Answer mine and I’ll answer yours

Not really though I think you should fuck off mate - that'd be good for this country. If you want somewhere that reflects your values and morals I would suggest the US, or North Korea.

I didn’t answer the question as the bloke is rude. The irony is the poster in question answered my question with another question but you criticised me for avoiding questions. The irony of your post is that you mention “slight digs” and then called me a “supercilious” person. i haven’t ducked any questions in this conversation . Point out where i did or shall I add this to the list of the three answers from previous discussions you owe me? The hypocrisy barometer is on full alert. Please come back on the two questions I asked you as I don’t want to have 5 questions unanswered…

Telling people to F off shows a lack of self control. In my circle of people that I engage with we have respect for people. You don’t. Your clearly were never taught you manners and if that’s your attitude with everyone you disagree with then have a word with yourself.

You don’t need to get angry treacle, self control is an attribute you would do well to work on. I’ll do as I please thank you.

Would you describe Radcliffe and the other billionaires and high profile businesss people who are making the relevant noises as successful and knowledgeable on economic matters?

You need a public sector obviously. Some contribute to society others less so. As I often have to liaise with various public sector groups my view is that there are too many public sector bodies, which create bureaucracy and slow down the economy. The creation of bureaucracy justifies some jobs in my experience. Personally by simplifying process and regulation helping to reduce public spending.

I stand for working hard, reaping your own reward and for people standing on their own two feet not relying on others. My experience is that people who are allowed to make money create jobs and this allows people to have their own jobs than rely on the state. People achieving in life should be applauded and rewarded, rather than people envying them, as it normally benefits wider society

In your first post we can agree to disagree. I agree that the world is in trouble but my view and that of Radcliffe is that, notwithstanding this, government policy is exacerbating matters and going in the wrong direction. Lineker is a virtue signaller in my opinion. The guy is a football player / tv pundit and he is as informed as Mary down the road in relation to the matters he is given a platform to talk about. Radcliffe is much better qualified to talk about the economy than Lineker about the matters he barks on about. He is a football pundit (I repeat). If he wants everyone to pay more tax, as he keeps saying, and is a principled man, why doesn’t he dip into his own pocket and overpay HMRC? Genuine question. In 2023 he actually appealed against HMRC over his tax bill for around £5m. He is about as principled as a vegan in a steakhouse

What about all the other business leaders and billionaires saying similar things - do you think they are all incorrect? Gary Lineker doesn’t count 😉

I think the point made is that, whilst we obviously can’t be a tax free haven, the government policies are going in the wrong direction, they aren’t even moving the right way. He wasn’t saying why he left but making a general comment on the state of the country from his perspective If he wants to leave that’s his prerogative. I was chatting to the Mrs about whether we stay here in the future. I’m patriotic but the last 10-15 years means there are fewer and fewer elements of this country that reflect my values and the values of many others. It feels that progressive governments aren’t enacting what people want and there is a disconnect that is very plain to see (in this case in relation to business). That is why I align myself with his comments

Thats such a silly comment. They do go to the toilet in the same way but also know more about business. Imagine if a scientist said that he had a theory and I disagreed and disregarded their view by saying he piss, farts and shits the same as everyone else, bringing him down to the general populations level of scientific understanding . They are essentially specialists in their fields so their opinion matters - they have more experience (including their advisors) in this field.

Ok so your view is that his opinion is limited. I disagree. His opinions does matter hence why it’s one of the main stories on the bbc. Regardless what about all of the other billionaires and business leaders saying the same thing. Are they all wrong? As a side note turning Utd around will take time. In the champions league this year though so not doing too badly compared to other years

Silly response as you didn’t read my post.

The purpose of the article was more about his comments on the state of the uk and how he has said people are leaving because they are being taxed to death and that for this, and other reasons, he had lost confidence. The other articles also state similar positions around the reasons for the condition of the economy, including overspending (I apply this to the Tories but increasingly more so to Labour) so your thoughts on those would be helpful. The City AM editors article is interesting as his article reflects discussions with business chiefs in London (I assume that some of these must have business acumen if they are speaking to the editor of City AM and they aren’t the local corner shop owner). 1. I didn’t say Brexit was an “awful” idea. I didn’t vote for it and I don’t think we should have left - that’s a more accurate reflection. I understand why some people voted for it as they anticipated that it would be implemented differently that would have made it more appealing from a business perspective but that wasn’t in their control. Also some people voted to Leave on non business grounds 2. Radcliffe promoted Brexit. However in relation to all the other billionaires who have left I’m sure it wouldn’t have been the majority (remember half the population Voted to leave so it’s no surprising that in the sample of billionaires there are some). Also some people voted to leave not just on business grounds. So when you say they “all” campaigned I’m not clear of the evidence of this 3 I would certainly trust the business acumen of a multi billionaire founder of multiple firms who has top, top advice around him. The guy came from a council estate and built these businesses without a golden spoon in this mouth. I suspect his business acumen, and that of the many other billionaires saying they are leaving or have left, would be much greater than any one of the posters on here. The evidence being that they are successful billionaires on the Forbes list and I suspect we aren’t.

Obviously another person fleeing for their life. 2 yr and 3 months in jail for recklessly putting the lives of over 100 people at risk. Less than Lucy Connolly got for a tweet by the same judicial system. One of the guys at the Henry Novak protest got 3 years for throwing a cone and metal pan at the police. Are they serious? Those people smugglers will be really concerned by this…not

Maybe I’m naive or is it the economic advantages….

You obviously didn’t read what he said. Despite multiple high profile figures saying the same You just have your head in the sand. The vast majority of people in business are all saying the same thing. more evidence - even the guy that Burnham wanted him to advise him (didn’t take up the opportunity) has said the same thing- https://www.cityam.com/haldane-warns-burnham-on-tax-and-spend-socialist-government/ https://www.cityam.com/walking-an-economic-tightrope-and-the-wind-is-picking-up/ The Tories are also to blame.What more evidence do you need?

It’s definitely not happening https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm0463619r1no

Hopefully West Ham and boro drop points tomorrow