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Looks like they've got a PPE shortage as well.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52414155 Perhaps he missed this.....

Isn't that what he was talking about when he was talking about the beams of light, amazing, strong, the strongest beams of light, being beamed into people's bodies, by actual medical scientists?

To be fair mate, you quoted him saying 'he didn't know' when you berated him for not saying 'he didn't know' - it was only 2 lines that you quoted! Not sure how the details could have got lost

But isn't your 'agnostic' option the same as the superposition in Shrodinger's cat - i.e. whether or not you have a goldfish is a superposition until it interacts with or is observed by the external world (open your door, go in your house and see whether you have a goldfish or not). Therefore, more information is needed in order to confirm one way or the other?

Don't UFOlogoists 'believe' in aliens as a result of evidence - perceived or real - that they have been exposed to, thus determining their knowledge of aliens?

Again, to be fair to MLG, his answer to that question is also consistent to the answer he has given about religion througout this thread, i.e. on that sentence alone, he doesn't have enough information / knowledge to formulate his belief. Can you truly answer this question : Do you believe my sister has won £88m on the lottery?

To be fair to MLG, he did say the 'he does not know that he has one'....

I believe that you have one. I just don't know whether it is dead or alive

So was May but she didn't come out of it particularly well!

No-one knows what you mean guv, it's the same club it's always been innit.

Where exactly have I stated I believe that. Pretty sure I've said I don't believe that to be an accurate figure. Thank you for finally answering the question.

Lol.

Ah, yes, a bit of personal abuse is way better than answering the question isn't it! Do you honestly think that even with a 'flattened curve', the moment that restrictions are lifted we will all go back to normal and can celebrate victory over the virus day? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51963486

I've already stated that 'locking down forever' isn't economically viable. Carrying on as before is clearly not an option as the NHS will be overwhelmed which will cause unnecessary deaths. The 'something else' can only be to lift the lockdown - at a certain point which will be determined by NHS capacity and rate of infection at the time (before you ask, that's not something I can answer!). It also means being prepared to put the lockdown back in place once infections start to rise again in order to 'flatten the curve' once more. That is of course in the absence of a vaccine / vaccination program, but that seems a way off yet. This would then need to be combined with antibody testing to ensure 'immunity' has been achieved (see previous discussions on 'herd' / 'community' immunity which needs in the region of 60% of the population to have been infected). However, there is currently some debate regarding whether or not a person can be 're-infected' having succesfully recovered from the virus, but nothing proven either way there at the moment.

Do you honestly think that even with a 'flattened curve', the moment that restrictions are lifted we will all go back to normal and can celebrate victory over the virus day? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51963486

It's not a simultaneous view, the two things are not mutually exclusive! To recap, I believe that yes, the Government are doing everything that they can (within reason, I accept they could put far more stringent measures in place but that would not be a reasonable response and would affect the economy to a far greater degree) in order to FLATTEN THE CURVE of infections and therefore REDUCE THE NUMBER OF HOSPITALISATIONS at this moment in time, in order that the NHS DOES NOT BECOME OVERWHELMED, thus reducing the number of incidental deaths that could potentially be caused if the NHS cannot cope with demand. At the same time I accept that MORE PEOPLE WILL DIE THAN WILL NORMALLY BE THE CASE in any given year. This is due to the potency of the virus and the affect it has on people with pre-existing medical issues and the subsequent increase in death rate. I'm not convinced of the 500,000 figure but I guess time will tell whether that is correct or not. With the current assertion that people can be infected more than once with the virus, this figure could potentially increase.

What do you mean by 'done', Jesus wept? Do you mean treated / cured - given that there is no known cure, surely 'nothing is being done'? Yes, I appreciate that the curve is being flattened, as highlighted in the link to the Guardian, but that is not the same as 'eradicating' the virus, or is it? Once the lockdown is lifted the infections will rise once more and we will start a new curve, or have we 'beaten' it now?

I would like to issue a formal apology for any confusion that has occured due to my inclusion of the word 'transmission'. I intended to use the word 'infection' as previously written but must have had a brain fart. 80% is of course a figure that has been mooted by the Chief Medical Officer : https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/12/coronavirus-as-many-as-10000-in-britain-may-already-have-it-says-pm Please accept my sincere apologies for any confusion caused and my thanks to Doctoroncall for picking up the error. I'd also like to thank Shurlock for picking the error up - oh, wait, no, he just jumped on someone else's bandwagon as usual.

The figure quoted was dumbed down on the BBC - presumably so that dinlos like you could understand it

According to Imperial’s Ferguson he puts infectivity at 2.6 and possibly as high as 3.5 https://healthmedia.blog.gov.uk/2020/04/19/response-to-sunday-times-insight-article/ That'll be £1.50 please

Well, they would say that wouldn't they. They were forewarned, so these are clearly foreseeable failings! The whole bally lot of them should be shot!

It's been on this thread for many weeks - I originally saw it on the BBC website on one of their 'live' news feeds. The claim was quite clear that 4 out of 5 people will contract the virus in the absence of a vaccine. I've not seen it debunked anywhere, but I don't have a link to the quote as it was on a live feed. I believe it was also repeated in a daily update speech.

You're very welcome Odd that one of the very first words that Maajid uses in that clip is 'hindsight'....

Commuters pictured on April 8th in Taipei. Seems like exemplary practice....