Frank's cousin

Quick KP has his toe stuck in the tap - shall we call several big burley fireman to rescue you?

Time to show our class as fans I think. Given how lucky we have been, the goodwill and the new owner who we will no doubt show our appreciation for... just thought it might be a decent thing to give Johnny a quick chorus on Saturday to show that we appreciate thats some things transcend football? He would get to hear about it and it cant do any harm to know fans out there are thinking of him?

Crutches? Bringing you things in a kind of servant way is what small children are for - when they are 4 they see these chores as treats ;-)

This might be a bit OTT but a chorus of 'there's only one Johnny Hartson' on Saturday would show our Class?

? no hot water?

Well we've beaten that already ;-)

LOLage - steady on there KP ;-) she Scottish and would probbaly say 'ya dirrrty Bast....' although she does not like swearing... ;-)

;-) not living up to your name at teh moment then? ;-)

Well acoording to that thread its only about 2o at the moment - might dissapoint a tad? ;-)

LOL - my guess is this thread should therefore have about 27000 posts?

Yup, Mrs is comming for the first time in ages and will be my daughters FIRST game

Although when these tumours metastasise to multiple organs, the odds of a recovery decline, there are good exampls of where treatments can work - Lance Armstrong being the most well known - He had testicular cancer that also metastesized to the lungs and brain yet made a full recovery - so its not a time to give up. With a luck and a good team anything is possible - so hang in there JOhn.

Best wishes to John and his family - He is, as has been said, one of those players I always 'hated' when he played against us - tended to do well because he gave it his all, but whenever he has been heard in the media its been clear he was a true gent off the pitch - no one deserves this kind of situation and heartfelt best wishes to JH and all you know him.

That Markus had taken over instead of Wilde and bought the club then.... but hey not complaining now.

UP If you are right on this I will grovel for apology on all previous spats we have had and hail you as the 'father' of the forum.... naturally if you are wrong I will continue to annoy you ;-)

Lookng good for 25k they say - which would be great - although a full house would really be great - show the man what the true potential is and what great fans we really are... Should be a good day, even though I am worried we might get trounced... ;-(

Ok I will admit that some of my posts may potentially give that impression, but sorry, I have never tought my opinion is worth more - but rightly or wrongly it is a constant source of frustration that there have been many occasions where there is a refusal, NOT to accept a differeing opinion, but to accept that there are two sides to the same coin... eg. Lowe not spending and money was always a cracker - he spent money from the sales and tiny I believe net spend, some saw this purely as lacking ambition and being crap...or so they posted, and you cant argue that the net result was a decrease in the quality of teh squad relative to those around splashing the cash - which was the main reason for going down...BUT teh flip side is we did spend, just on too many players, but also that there was a strong business argument (if not footballing one) for avoiding the risky investment and borrowings seen at other clubs, yet advocated by many anti-lowers on here... I dont ahve a problem if someone believes its football and a risky investment policy of borrowings is worth it - that is opinion, but there has to be an acceptance that this is not a black or white issue and from business perspectives its very wrong... thats the sort of thing that gets my goat... Also is there anything wrong with being frustrated that when you ask someone to expand or discuss their view teh one liner is the response?

1. But the point is you dont... which is why I always found it odd that you sem to defend those who do - and the posts I am critical of.... of course football is a passionate game and we all shout and screem on match days - same as we give abuse to the away fans but we dont generally (thankfully) take it outside - but discussions on the off the field politics, as I am sure you know are perhaps a bit more complex, which is why its kinda useful to avoid that sort of crap. 2. People can and will form their own opinions and I have never had any intention of trying to convert anti lowes - I have never felt the desire to as his mistakes mounted he made his own rod... but I DO think there is merit in discussing the pros and cons and also in acknowledging that there were some VERY good ideas that we should simply dismiss just of because who suggested it.... It might not ahve escaped you notice that the groundswell of opinion seemed to be that LOwe should have taken more risks and invested inbetter playesr and wages in the prem...a risky strategy, now the majority feel that the best way is teh more cautious route with stricht financial controls - one which mr Liebherr is likely to adopt... 3. Not actually my quote there? why? because you change teh 'tone' - you are right plenty do express their opinions with logic and rational analysis - yet if you want to acuse me of 'high and mightydom, I suggest you lok in the mirrow and notice the patronising hue of most of your own posts when you disagree with someone - pot and kettle mate....:-)

Aint we all...! ;-)

Oh finally 'hold Lowe in high regard' - Thought you had more upstairs than to fall into that category... Like certain others, you seemto read posts and CHOSE what you want to believe to suit your own response rather than accepting some very simple truth. So for the umpteeenth time... Lowe - Never met the bloke so can't comment on him as a person - did some positives during the 10 years, but made a lot of mistakes and eroor of judgement - some of which were theoretically strong, but impossible to implement or simply not pragmatic enough to succeed... having ideas are never bad, its the choice of which to pursue in the conditions that is the difference. Lowe's choices were wrong. Its easy to dismiss something such as SCW as mad and hairbrained - as many did, but the ideas were good IMHO.. but the timing was wrong, so yes overall it was a mistake, but thats the whole point of these forum IMO... instead of just saying it was another crap decision, its acknowledging that there was a good iddea there, but the wrong implementation meant it failed.... not the idea itself. Thats my opinion of Lowe... I LIKE the fact he is not old school and has challenged some of the preconceptions of what should happen in clubs, the focus on youth development, the idea of trying new methods if we could not compete on financial terms - who knows might have had an advantage etc.... HOwever, because of poor implementation and the approach and possibly being crap at gaining support, these things failed, and yes that is how they are ultimately judged... The fact I like the fact we did not BORROW money to pay for wages in players whioch I have neer felt comfortable with is just coincidence as there are many other chairman outthere that do the same, but also many out there that dont... Interpret that as you will...you are bound to anyway...

Oh dear.... two things; One: Judging on a record of incompetence and coming to the conclusion he is incompetent is logical and rational - its then comming to the conclusion that he is a C*** or whatever that is irrational and bigotted and you can deny it all you like but these forums are littered with such comment and have been for some years... Two: Never have I said fans are wrong for criticising lowe whenever they believe he has ****ed up again - although yes there have been several occaisons when only onside of teh argument is used to form that opinion and I have had plenty of decent discussion with those willing to enjoy such debate without the need to resort to the oneliners You seem to trying to act as the champion of those who DO come accross as ignorant and prejudiced because they never COMMUNICATE their rational on here, even if ultimately it is based on a thorough analysis - but one line insults do little to contradict that opinion. Oh and you seem to be stalking me again....

but 2010 will be our 125th year? Is it really too early to start the party?

Should get planning though ;-) Would be nice to make it speacial year given the grief we have had in the last 5

just going on age - founder 1885 = 125 years in 2010?

Ok so for the past year most have been unable to even contemplate next season and 'celebrating' anything...the last 3 montsh were charaterised by simply hoping we still had a club to go into our 125th year.... BUT as we all know that despite our -10 points slim pickings of a sqaud and no manager as yet, Saint Markus is potentially the best thing we could ahve wished for - relatively very wealthy, wealth generated from graft and manufacturing...not arms or dodgy things but old fashioned industry... We have read he has sound financial principles of building businesses with investment but without debt and has a long term plan to see us back in the top flight..... so despite next season probably being a tough one, I think we bloody well deserve a decent celebration, and as 2010 represents our 125th year as a club, we should amke it a season to remember.. So any ideas suggestions on how we should mark the occaision? Commemorative shirts? special game? offers etc? Think its time to Party!