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Fine, I don't think they would use them, if they were developing them, not enough that it justified attacking a sovereign country. That was a really long winded way to have this debate.

I'm sorry, but who's staying they're not? And who's siding with Iran? What were trying to understand is why Hypo thinks they shouldn't have nuclear weapons. We're also told this isn't about regime change.

Ah, but you're also not saying they will use them, because that would be insane. I thought this was a binary choice?

But you don't think they'll use them anyway, because that would be an insane thing to say, so it's not really an issue.

Oh, ok, I didn't realise there was a hypo league table of nuclear use probabilities. I must have missed that on the BBC Verify page. So with that in mind, you think they're more likely than anyone else in the world to use them, or just everyone who has them? And why are they higher than countries like Pakistan?

To be fair, it's actually quite nice to have a debate on here without insults being thrown about, so yay, go us!

He's tying himself up in knots here. I think we should give him some time to untie himself and actually decide what his opinion is.

Why? It would have stopped Russia invading Ukraine. Or preferably, no-one has one.

It's like arguing with the fucking riddler. So in that case what is the issue with them having one? Won't they just be like Pakistan?

Yes, probably.

So, would it be a better comparison to compare them to Pakistan? Sunni Muslims. When did they last use a nuclear weapon, or hand one off to a terrorist?

Ok, cool, so you don't think they will use them if they have them - then we're of the same opinion. So in that case what is the issue with them having them?

The part where you say the Iranian's will use nuclear weapons if they develop them.

As an aside, I don't think anyone has murdered as many children this year as your hero Benji.

Point to where I am believing the Iranians?

I don't agree with what you wrote, sorry. These are opinions, not facts, so I can happily disagree with the fact that I don't believe if Iran are looking to develop nuclear weapons they are going to blindly use them as you do. If they are 100% looking to develop them, then International negotiations need to start again to ensure they don't. That's my position and it isn't going to change.

And we're back to are they actually trying to develop nuclear weapons, and believing War criminals and US dictators. I don't, so it's not a binary choice for me.

I think we can probably compare them, so we'll agree to disagree on this one 👍

Why?

I'm not sure if you're responding to me Weston, but remember the rules.

I'm not sure many people are siding with Iran, more not siding with Israel and the US.

So with that in mind, considering their constant issues and threats to the US, and their hatred of their Southern neighbours, would that not be the best comparison to Iran, and the fact that they have them, but actually don't intend to use them? What year did they get them btw?

This is my issue. This is a case of trust, and whether you trust Netanyahu (a war criminal) Trump and Hegseth and what they say. It's the boy who cried wolf - they lie, and lie, and kill, and lie, and then when they're finally telling the truth expect us to believe them. Unfortunately I'm not going to, and I would suggest taking everything they say with the proverbial pinch of salt.

Do North Korea? Also, only Russia and Iran have oil, and Trump is BFFs with Vlad, so they don't want regime change there (irrespective of the fact that he is doing stuff the Iranian regime isn't).

And Pakistan, who harbour and encourage terrorists, and Russia, who are currently trying to annexe various sovereign states, constant European aggressors are allowed to continue. What's going on with North Korea? They're very similar to Iran in the way they speak about the US and yet there is nothing going on with them. Oh yes, no oil. Just because Benjamin has got a neverending hard-on for killing innocent people, it doesn't mean that the West should be involved in his genocidal wankathon.