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Bridge, i agree 100% and that was kind of my point. We dont know he the Police were hell bent on violence just as the Police didnt know if this chap was. And yet all on here are quick to jump on the "Police are thugs" bandwagon and them say the Police cant assume members of the public are thugs. Im not sure if thats true irony or not, but it is bloody hypocritical in my book. If it turns out that the Officer were at fault, i agree that the cool should be thrown at them, at we dont know yet, do we?

Cmon Rob, where did I say that the Police were told to treat poeple "who don't bow and scrape to the old bill" as aggravating. What the Met were briefed were that ALL protesters were potential threats to the public and that anyone that didnt heed the "advice" of the Police was to be taken care of. You seem to think Im some sort of BNP right-wing loon; which is totally incorrect. The info above was cribbed from talking to my BiL who is a Met Plice officer who was on duty everyday last week. Im not saying I agree with it either, all Im doing is letting you guys know that its not as simple as "Me Police Man, Me Bash mr Walking By Chappie..oooh ooohhh". All Police Officer are obeying orders from above, orders that they work to rightly or wrongly. The Officers you can see in the video were instructed, I have no doubt, to take the guy out as he was ignoring a Police request to move to a contained area. I was brough up to repect the Police and always pay attention to what they ask you to do... and it surely goes without saying that in a high pressure environment like a national protest in London you would, if you wanted a easy life, do what you were told (The caveat being as long as what they asked you to do was legal and didnt breach your rights, obviously). I would also feel agreived if I was persecucted by the Police. I, like most, have had run ins with them during my growing up. 99% of the time I had either done something wrong or I was not listening to an Officer of the Law and ignoring their requests. Ho hum, yes thats right... because I dare to go against the Guardian reading public, Im automatically a Neo-Nazi Muslim-Hater Empire-loving curmudgeon. FFS Rob, that is just pathetic to be honest and I really expected better form you. You know nothing about me or my family, because if you did you would know how bloody wrong you were. The insinuation was NOT that he could have been a Muslim or a peadophile; but he could have been working to endanger the public - be that via terrorism or simple acts of voilence. but never mind, you have your hissy fit when anyone dares of be even slightly central in their political views and not actually pay attention to what they are saying.

Snuff - Tweet Tweet My Lovely. For "Arsehole" basically, (ignore the surf video, got no idea how its linked to the song). Prob NSFW inhte lyrics I guess.

You have to consider who is looked to the Officers on duty. He was, from all accounts, ignoring what they had asked him to do. If there is a risk to public safety, the Mets FIRST obligation is to protect the masses and uphold the law.

So you can say that you KNOW he was 100% innocent; and you can say for sure that Police on the scene knew he was 100% innocent?

Thats a bit like trying to compare the Administration of SLH PLC to Salisbury FC being sold for a quid. Whilst the basic principles are the same, the conditions, environment and history are not taken into consideration.

You're a Policeman, youve been given an overview of what to expect today; various scenarios of what could happen. You are on high alert, after all 20 of the worlds leaders are to convene on London this week. You know that later today you will be in the middle of a large crowd of people. Some will be protesters, some will be journalists, some will be by-standers, some will be plain clothed Police, some may be terrorists, some will be anarchists, some will be "up for a fight". You don't know who is going to be who, there are thousands of people there. You've been briefed that everyone that does not comply with what you are asking them to do should be considered "aggravating" and dealt with in manner that is legal and protective to the others around you (be them Police officers or public). You are caught in the middle of a situation. You are with 10 or so of your fellow officers. You know that scuffles have broken out round the City. You've also heard rumours of missiles being thrown and Police being assualted. A person near you, not a Police Officer, is away from the main crowd. You dont know what he is doing there, he looks normal enough but you know that you cannot judge anything by look alone in these times. You, as a group, move towards him and ask him to move away back to the main crowd. He ignores you and continues to drift. Worried about public safety, you ask him to remove his hands from his pockets. Again he refuses. The situation intensifies as he continues to walk away from the main crowd, is he going towards an unknown target? You dont know, you cant take that risk. You have asked him to move back to where he can be under crontrol, you've asked him to put his hands where you cna see them. He has failed to listen and respond to the instructions of the Metropolitan Police Officer during a roudy protest on the street of London. Are you telling me you wouldn't have tackled him to the ground?

Which ticked over to The Handsome Family - Through The Trees, seamlessly.

Greg Graffin - Cold As The Clay.

Maybe, just maybe, you cannot work it out from a ****ing nine word quote? do you know what preceded the quote or what followed it? Maybe he ended the sentence with "straight away" or "until the FL has conducted its investigation"... FFS...

Donovan - Sunshine Superman & Mellow Yellow.

Who is Sasha?

Was he on?

Get in!

Now that was ducking funny!

I think 99% of people have been saying it, tbh.

Not really sure yet. Defo try some portrait, maybe some stiff life; both of those lit using the blacklight bulb. Im thinking of trying a Wratten 18a filter (or cheaper equivalent) and getting some landscape stuff.

One thing you need is a lens that is relatively "non-coated", obviously as that cuts down the amount of UV that enters. Luckily, Ive got a stash of old Olympus OM lenses that seem to be rather sensitive to UV light.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

I think he is used to it after 'Nando's display of timidness last weekend.

Have to say that I got this at the weekend and it is truly excellent, a wonderful wonderful album.

Well, I suspect the gecko is in fact Head of Design at Renault F1 and it's Ponty's turn to look after him this season. Ponty chose to do this to keep his job chances intact in these days of recession.

I guess he has a gecko.

Nuts. To be honest, I dont mind mixing some visible in there too; that actually might add to the stuff Im doing.