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You referred to a Polish community, then said that they hadn't done all of the scary things you've read on the front-pages, making a direct comparison with Muslims, therefore positing an implied Muslim community.

If that's genuinely the case, then I'm even more amazed at your comments. Your claims would be at odds with your experience, unless all the Muslims you know are extremists that have committed the acts you've enumerated. No moderates in Sour Mash's big world of Islam?

Ah, you're just parroting the scary headlines you've seen. That in itself is telling; indicates that you've no first hand experience with Muslims in a normal context. I agree with hypo for once. Bit of a shame to see grown men so scared of their own ignorance, but there you go.

I shop at a halal butcher most weeks. If we're talking saturation and distribution, think the Eastern Europeans have made themselves much more visible in a shorter period of time. There are Polish shops in almost every area of Liverpool. Really can't say the same for halal butchers and mosques.

Yeah, didn't spot it. Sorry Ludwig.

Cheers Bucks; did the research beforehand - so knew it was well-reviewed. The only downside is the off-screen half-centimetre or so devoted to HTC branding. Could have been a slightly smaller phone without it, but it's really no deal breaker. Mixed reviews slightly putting me off, but found one for 17 quid. May get; certainly appeals to the geek in me.

Quoted for posterity. Non-discussion of brutal murders equals an intent for them to be committed? Insane reasoning there, Ludwig.

Just upgraded to a HTC One M8. Loving it so far. Came from a relatively recent Nexus 5, but very much feeling the upgrade. Unibody, full HD screen, can chuck 128Gb extra stuff in it and the front facing stereo speakers are glorious. Didn't end up paying anything extra when renewing. We did three phones and ended up about £35pm better off.

Unsurprising. Batman is not big on the detective work.

Honestly don't know. At the very least, turn off any services which backup to cloud. Most of my keepsies are on FB, my local machine and/or external hard drives. Genuinely don't remember taking/being in any photos that could be this level of embarrassing, so I'm not super-bothered.

It's pretty much the same, imo. The only difference is that KL is rich and owns the football club. My POV is that if you chuck personal insults at other posters, you've no right to complain about others having a pop at KL. If you do, you look like a doff-capping deferent hypocrite pr!ck.

Now now gents. Bletch went to several paragraphs to rescue this thread from what you would make it now. It has been an excellent read since then, until now. Might I suggest that the pair of you internalise these kinds of thoughts and save such efforts for being nawty, soulmates or whatever? Ta.

Some are very personal when condemning fellow posters. Is it your contention that KL is a special case on account of her being the owner, or will you fight against the injustice of personal attacks on here from now on?

Upgrading phone today. Going to get a HTC One M8.

Iron Maiden's Powerslave is 30 today. Giving that another listen. Some definite filler on there, but also, some genuine Maiden classics. Aces High / Two Minutes to Midnight / Powerslave / Rime of the Ancient Mariner

Some choice bits from Paul Parker on Rooney @ United here. Article also contains Forren's comment about Wayne putting on the beef. http://malaysiandigest.com/sports/516582-wayne-rooney-blasted-by-norway-skipper.html

A couple of comments on bletch's serious post. He's right about the passwords. Most developers, myself included, generally use something called one-way hashing to store passwords. Any cleartext password goes through an algorithm, turning it into unreadable mush. That's what gets stored, and cannot be turned back into its original form. On subsequent logins, user enters password in cleartext and the same algorithm runs. If the user enters the right word, then the algorithm will produce the same unreadable mush, matching what has been stored, authenticating them. With the recent revelations surrounding NSA/GCHQ and the wider FiveEyes project, think you have to take it as read that your data is not private, wherever it resides.

Think I'm done with England. Selecting Rooney is bad enough. Making him captain is madness. Lunatics have taken over the asylum.

Apple's iCloud suspected as source of leak. Macsturbators feeling the shame after the inspiration.

The missus follows both Liverpool and Southampton's Facebook stuff. She reckons Saints do a much better job, and as a result, knows more about the Saints team this year than she does LFC.

For me, I had two chief concerns during the turmoil. The first was the poor communications from the club, which was a circus at times. The second was simply the number of new variables that were being introduced to the mix. Staff changes at almost every level of the club, including new directors, a new manager and several new players. My natural (and professional) inclination is to change one thing at a time and observe the results. The club never really had that option. The big fear was that Koeman had only ever done it in the Eredivisie, the new signings had never done it in big leagues and that we'd be whipping boy shíte. Still early days, but we have the appearance of a club heading in the right direction. Koeman looks to be a great appointment; better than Poch in terms of traction with potential signings, his media briefings are better than won't-speak-English Poch or Nigel Adkins and his group of hardworking professional clichés. The football is encouraging too. One of the best things about being a Saints fan is triumph in adversity, whether it's smashing up a glory hunter's favourite personality substitute, chasing Liverpool for the league in 84/85, winning the FA Cup, surviving relegation year after year in the Premier League era on a 15K stadium, or getting bought out by a Swiss businessman with big pockets when it looked like we'd been doomed by a chancer living in his old dear's gaff. Different problems this year. Executive power struggles, players wanting away, parts of the media gleefully sharpening the knives, ready to eviscerate us as we made our inevitable fall throughout the divisions. We were made to look like a basket-case club full of agendas, ready to sell to the first person to roll up with the readies. I've already heard many pundits express surprise at how quickly we're finding our feet. My September 2nd judgement is that the board have done a fine job of continuing that triumph in adversity tradition.

Aren't you just doing the inverse, with less of a basis to do so? Some people were out of order with personal attacks on Kat, etc. Compared to those showing concern (of which I was one), they were a teeny minority, normally called up at the time. Of course, the funny thing is that many of the posters that characterised the Kat-directed fat jokes as vile have no problem calling Alps a chubster.

Yup. As Lord D points out, his defection carries more democratic legitimacy this way. The only way UKIP gets an MP is if people elect one. Fair enough, imo.

I think you're being slightly unfair here bletch. CB Fry has put in hundreds of hours to effort to tell us all that it wasn't a firesale, even though most of us didn't need telling. Given his innumerable and interminable posts on the issue, it is his legal right* to embark on a six-month campaign of tiresome told-you-so's. Personally, I think your initial post stems from envy. Sure, you turn up every now and then and write a fúcking excellent post which cuts to the heart of things, but such insights are surely no substitute for months of saying the same fúcking thing. Right now, CB Fry is preparing to turn all of his 2014 no fire sale told-you-so's into a digest that'll fit on a single sheet of A4. Once he gets that framed, he can show that to anyone on Earth, and they'll be so impressed with his skills that they'll offer him a nosh, right there and then. So yeah, keep trucking with this intelligent post crap, kidda. You're a long way from mongboard insta-nosh glory. * I'm not a lawyer ** There is no precedent for forum posts leading to universal blow job action

The Syrian part of IS are the same people that Hague wanted us to buddy up with against Assad. The rebels were financed and trained by the usual cabal of corrupt, Western-allied Arab states, Israel, the US and UK. Perhaps people remember the fuss over whether it was ok to send them weapons (it was). The most innocent appraisal that one can make of the West is that this is a serious case of blowback, and even that doesn't look good. Our Foreign Secretary was suggesting we join forces with the rebels, which included Al-Qaeda. Few were convinced by that argument; Parliament certainly wasn't. I'd probably agree with your Arab relatives on the propaganda angle. They really are the ultimate Muslim bogeyman; you only need to look at this thread to see that. Some hold them up as representative of a general barbarism in the Islamic faith. I'd go further and say that elements of them (at least) are controlled opposition. The back channels were all established when funding the Syrian rebels, and their operations handily coincided with atrocities committed elsewhere. The only positive I can see is that the War on Terror may be drawing to a close. One of the problems with the original mission was that the enemy was nebulous, ill-defined and geographically difficult to locate. If there is a benefit to the Islamic State, it's having a precise group of people to go after in a relatively well defined area.