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According to the article, Marks & Sparks have allowed their Muslim staff the opportunity to refuse to sell alcohol or pork at their tills, meaning that shoppers might need to move to a different till to purchase the offending items. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2527820/Marks-Spencer-tells-Muslim-staff-CAN-refuse-serve-customers-buying-alcohol-pork.html Have at it, right-wingers and Little Englanders. Peace and goodwill to all men, yeah?

Thank you. I find it keeps things interesting. Nah, not really, but I've often remarked that politeness is one of the best British traits. A big part of politeness is respecting the views of others. If you're ignorant of such views, how can you respect them?

I think he's explained himself plenty. Your continual insistence that he hasn't doesn't make it less so.

Paki is offensive for all sorts of reasons, chiefly in the correct identification of Pakistanis, so you get the grim spectacle of an ignorant white person calling an Indian or Sri Lankan a "Paki". Do you think it acceptable to refer to a newsagent run by Asians as a Paki Shop?

To be fair, the eldest has pretty decent taste. The youngest has been something of a black sheep when it comes to music, but even she is starting to favour credible bands (the 1D phase was awful). Tarantino should have remade it, but I guess the opportunity is lost now. S'alright with me. He's made some pretty cool stuff anyway.

I like Lord D because he expresses his own opinions in favour of regurgitating Paul Dacre's thoughts.

That's curable. I can simply poo myself out. I feel blessed to have so few problems, comparatively speaking

You'll be proud of me, Super Michael. I've spent the last couple of years saying the same thing to my Hunger Games-obsessed kids. They claim that the stories do diverge massively eventually, but I can't help wondering if it's the same b*llocks as Harry Potter ( use an event, like going to Hogwarts, as the structural basis for every novel ). Don't think it was ever based on BR, btw. Just ripped bits of it off wholesale.

I am done on Santa duties, and well out of this f**king madness. The food shop still needs doing though; I'm dreading it.

You're making out like adaptation to the host culture isn't happening. By and large, it is. Most people who have moved from another country to live here have had to make huge adjustments to their own lives. There has been a black community in this country for over three hundred years. Granted, the fifties broadened that community massively, but even then, when do the descendants of those immigrants need to stop adapting? How many generations do you think is appropriate before we finally say "fair enough, you're a Brit, people will have to adapt to you too"? Immigration is a two-way street. To do as you suggest, you have to assume that their is some kind of cultural norm that immigrants to ascribe to. As we've seen on the Nationalism thread, just identifying ourselves is enough of a problem. What do we hold up as the normal standard that immigrants should adhere to? You must have some idea of the "core of Britishness" that immigrants should adopt, but I certainly don't, and wouldn't know where to start if I tried. Finally, let's divorce ourselves from the notion that golly is an innocent character. I can accept that as children, people will have thought that. As adults living in a more enlightened age and a much more nuanced understanding of race relations, doesn't wash as well. Your childhood memories can stay as they are. The discussion is whether golliwog is an acceptable toy or term to use in 2013. Personally, I'm happier with the more authentic representation of black people that I live and work with. Golly has had its time.

Nice one, MLG. SaintsWeb, we have changed the (Football Manager) world. Rejoice, and cheers again for keeping the ears open, MLG.

Yes I was unaware because of the cultural differences of an unfamiliar culture. Any migrant must respect the laws of the host nation, but even so, there are differences between people that we observe and respect, even if it is at a person to person level. I don't agree with all of the opinions of the right wingers on here, but if they argue honourably, they have my respect. One of my best friends is a vegetarian. I respect that and make sure that she is well catered for in any restaurant that we visit. Some of my friends are Muslim. I'd never dream of offering them an alcoholic drink or a bacon sandwich. We continually adapt to people on an individual basis. Why is it so hard for people to accept a few wider recommendations? Lest we forget, the golliwog that that many are defending was a cultural staple at one point, the second most popular toy in Europe. That may be part of the problem. A beloved toy with such positive connotations being hijacked by the politically correct crowd. That's fair enough, but in 2013 when we've got so many more positive and inspiring examples of black people, this smiling minstrel has had its day when it comes to representing.

Normally, any mention of thought police would have me in a lather, Whitey G - but I think you're stretching this a bit. I've been in places where I dropped an utter b*llock because I was not aware the cultural differences. We live in a multi cultural society where many people are going to be ignorant what is offensive to others. One has the choice of still continuing to use such terms, but shouldn't people that want to respect others have the opportunity to avoid social faux pas?

A big +1 on this. Similar theme in the first movie certainly, and much much more graphic. A masterpiece, imo.

You're way off the mark, sir. I worked in Northern Ireland for 3 years. All permanent staff went on diversity training there, largely on account of the political situation, but also to accommodate eastern European workers. Diversity training has its time and place. Definitely thought it was worthwhile in the Northern Ireland context. It's probably worthwhile for people who represent a diverse range of constituents, such as this councillor.

What I meant was that I'm fully aware that I'm capable of being an arsehole, Mr Logic - a penny that doesn't seem to have dropped in your head.

I'm a self-aware arsehole, thank you very much. Different breed.

I don't think it wise. The Yanks have banned the word niggardly from the TV because most people don't have big enough vocabularies not to be offended.

Not wrong, but omits bits that this doesn't. http://www.golliwogg.co.uk/history.htm Given the slant they wanted to put on the story, its unsurprising they mentioned the minstrel part. Even they'd have a hard time getting a "Bring back blackface" campaign off the ground. It is Britain's least accurate newspaper, after all.

"Wog" is a racist slur. "Woggle" is not. "N*gger" is a racist slur. "Niggardly" is not. Hypo was saying that golliwogs weren't racist. You've got the word "wog" combined with a doll that is supposed to depict a black man, based on the minstrel tradition, which of course, was all about white men blacking up and doing impressions of what they thought black men were like. Times change, and she should have known better. Diversity training is the right result. I've known loads of people have to do it.

I've bought loads already. Mostly copies of stuff for the kids, but have just got Spore as well, which I played once in an Internet cafe and always fancied revisiting.

Have you not noticed the word "wog" at the end of that word? Would it still not be racist if it was gollyn*gger or gollycoon?

People that turn the PM feature off. Why? How f**king important are you?

Sanctimonious arseholes that completely lack any sort of perspective.

Congratulations on convincing a lady to sleep with you. This forum would be a much better place if more people followed your example Brill news on Olivia. Real congratulations for that.