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We're told that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and his 26 year old brother set the bombs. The only proof the authorities offered up of their complicity in the bombing was video of them walking near the bomb site. One of the brothers is now dead, the other has not been read his miranda warning. He hasn't even been charged with anything. Now that may be just be temporary - officials are allowed to question suspects pre-Miranda if there is an ongoing further threat that they feel the suspect can help them with. Personally, I suspect they're looking to avoid a jury trial at all costs; he'll end up with the same status as Guantanamo Bay inmates. As for the brothers' flight; you're right - could easily be a sign of their guilt. If they were set up, as their aunt and mother suggest, then they could also have legitimately ran in fear of their lives.

So far, I haven't seen a single bit of proof that this guy has either. Where is the evidence that he was involved in the bombing?

It's difficult. A bit like comparing the unremarked capture of an individual, which seems to happen day-to-day, with this lockdown brought on by a 19 year old man.

May I congratulate you on an accommodating post, Sergei. And may I also say that while I might not agree with the specifics of your Rick Astley / Bono analogy, it did amuse me. As I said before, it was martial law in all but name. In a sense, that's a little more worrying - because you had effective martial law without any formal declaration ( "lockdown" the preferred term ). The Americans have done a lot of the things Orwell warned us about, subtly mutating language to dispense themselves with the conventions they'd usually have to follow. A prime example of this is "enemy combatants" over "prisoners of war". The latter have international rights, the former do not. Sometimes, you wonder whether it was a good idea for our language to be so nuanced. We might have to agree to differ on the martial law issue. I'm sure that when it has happened in the past, people have been told it is for their own protection. It's an old trick and a slippery slope,imo.

I'm not going to respond to points I've not made. Also, I do find the accusation of running away being a bit of a laugh, hypo. You are an anonymous user, are you not?

I like the commentary. Personally, I prefer an evidence-based assessment when considering a poster's attributes. e.g. I say "hypo is a complete c**t and not worth listening to". Then I back it up, with Exhibit A, an excerpt from the SaintsWeb 2012 Awards Thread, if I'm not mistaken. It's not hard.

One post left. Horley is 0/3 on points, with one possible point to play for. Can Horley make that point?

I think so too. He should pay his fiver and get fully onboard. No matter who was responsible for this, some massive precedent has just been set in the USA. Martial law in all but name in Boston, just for the manhunt of a 19 year old man. It's undoubtedly good telly, but it doesn't look much like due process. People are being prosecuted by the media, their actions pre-empted. I've posted a couple of things:- Video of the cameraman getting straight to the aftermath of the explosion, and there being very few people there, . I don't see anything like 170 people there, but that doesn't fit the narrative, so it's excluded. Par for the course. Video of suspect's aunt - thought an alternative perspective was warranted after seeing the uncle plastered over BBC news for around three hours straight. We've got two relatives of equal import; one sticking up for her nephews and suggesting they've been framed, another looking like he's reading from the script ( half "they're f**king guilty, half "Come to the USA, it's nice" ). He hasn't seen them in eight years, says that they were kids the last time he saw them, yet is fit to pronounce judgment on their personalities. Fair enough; the man has his opinion - but so did the aunt, and so did the mother. They did not appear on the news for 3 hours straight because they didn't fit the narrative. The narrative is perhaps felt most strongly in the aunt video. Talk about leading questions:- Questioner 1: "So are you suspicious that they really did do this?" A: "No, I am suspicious that this was staged. The picture was staged" Questioner 2: "By who?" A: "Whoever needs this. Whoever is looking for ... those who need to be blamed for ... these acts" Questioner 1: "So you think they're being set up by someone else, not the authorities, by someone else?" A: "What do you mean, someone else? Who is interested in this case? When you blowing up people and you want to bring attention to something, for some purpose, you know, you do that [maths], but why don't you do that math, why me? I am used to being set up. Before I left ... er .. former Soviet Union countries, that's how I lived. Always." I think I'll reserve the right to wait and see on the Craft International angle.

Feeling quietly confident about the second half. Looks like we're just getting into gear.

It must be true because you said it.

Does absence make Verbal's arse taste fonder?

What's the point? The vast majority of his points relate to things others have said, not anything I've put forward. It's mostly strawman b*llocks based on nothing I've said. I won't be drawn into it. The rest is amateur character assassination which I'd hoped he'd do better than. I wonder how we feels about the link he mockingly posted earlier in the week, which suggested that someone in their late-teens/early 20s would be caught on Friday? I think we only need the reloading powder and drafting of new laws for a full house!

That looks very good. Complete reboot, with no ties to the Donner universe - not even the iconic theme tune. Looking forward to it, although I do wonder about the wisdom of trying to do the origin movie + Zod in the same movie. The originals took their time over that.

The thrust of my point is really about what the US has seemingly become to defend its "freedom", not about trying to prove a conspiracy. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything here; you can all leave with the opinions you had before. Personally, seems very fishy to me. Lack of people, inconsistencies with the photography, the official non-existence of a private military contractor group. I'll reserve the right to hold my own opinion too.

Blimey Verbal, I'm amazed you got that much response from me raising some eyebrows. Given that you seem to enjoy this, I'd advise getting yourself over to genuine conspiracy sites. You'd have a field day.

We will have moved beyond the archaic abstraction of keyboard, mouse and monitor. It'll be a virtual world and we'll all participate through fully rendered avatars. During matchdays, Alpine's avatar will prance around in lederhosen, alternating between weeping and yodelling. People will be able to create their own programs, much like on Star Trek's holodeck. I can see Turkish creating a simulation dedicated to a heady blend of old-fashioned violence and fashion labels; kick merry sh!t out of each other in-game and compare garments between levels. Visitors from around the world will flock to see CB Fry's digital recreation of the Stoke of 2013, an exciting fusion of painstaking reproduction ( he'll capture the grime of the city beautifully ) and artistic licence ( 100ft statues of Tony Pulis on every street corner ). Unfortunately, Bearsy and Tokyo-Saint will never be seen again. They will use the technology of the day to create the most depraved virtual reality experience in existence, and spend the rest of their lives there.

Don't know how many of you have a 3DS (or access to one - yay fickle daughters!), but Fire Emblem Awakening came out for it yesterday, and it is ace. The series has been popular on Nintendo systems for years. For the unacquainted, It's a mix of Advance Wars and RPG elements. You move your pieces around just like Advance Wars, but your units level up and persist between each battle. New to this edition is a relationship dynamic. When your characters fight side by side, they build up affection with each other and get stronger as the game progresses. Critically acclaimed and so far, gets a high recommendation from me. http://www.metacritic.com/game/3ds/fire-emblem-awakening

I honestly don't know why you're so interested, Tim. Saving up one of your three a day just to tell people how mad I am. Are you working to a schedule, perhaps checking in periodicially? Perhaps you have a series of ready-made strategies. I love your assumption that cnn = official and trustworthy. That wasn't why I posted the link - there are several other references to S 1867 doing the rounds. Still, loss of habeas corpeas, the use of torture ( confirmed this week by bi-partisan committee ), indefinite detention, extraordinary rendition, bomb squad all over Boston before the event, a whole city on lockdown and full of federal personnel for the manhunt of one 19 year old bloke? Yeah, paranoid little me.

Not all of it, I hope.

That's probably the best summary of those photos and those gentlemen so far. I certainly didn't know they were called The Craft until reading that link. I think this looks dodgy as hell and I certainly don't believe that it is happening in a vacuum. The state response has been terrifying; they've got a major urban population under lockdown. This is also very interesting. I have to confess, I don't know whether this bill has got all the way through to law yet, but bloody scary all the same. http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-711747

I've been watching the footage all evening. According to the BBC, the pair were driving around throwing IEDs out of the car window. Boston on complete lockdown, Black Hawk helicopters circling residential areas - government agents all over the shop. Someone, somewhere will be taking the public temperature. The BBC keep on going on about there being no evidence that this is foreign sponsored at present, although they do repeatedly keep mentioning it.

It's all going off, btw. ATVs on the street. Loads of commentators are repeating the blaze of glory line. Authorities descending on him. No way he's coming out of this alive.

Commentator is saying "this kid may go out in a blaze of glory".

He needs to change his career and financial advisors.