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I can't help feeling your missus is totally missing the point. If anything, you should be loading up on petrol, shotgun shells, morning stars, knives - all that stuff. The instructional video, Mad Max 2, is available for very reasonable prices in most places that sell video media. It comes with free humungus.

Both my kids have contract phones. Realistically, your nipper is probably going to end up putting a tenner a month on it anyway - and you'll have peace of mind because you know he can get hold of you no matter what. Your operator will normally offer you a decent wedge of discount on additional accounts. I think my kids' are about £15 a month each. Might be worth a look.

Have you never seen Deep Impact? Asteroid lands in sea. Large tidal wave ensues and wipes out Europe.

Whoever gets Downing is going to get a much better player than the one currently plying his trade at Liverpool. Sorry if anyone posted this before, but Rodgers wanted to play him at left-back at one stage. He'll have something to prove, and would slot in lovely here. Not sure how realistic that is.

Cheers for that, Window Cleaner. Anyone know of any more recent ones? Look at the amount of firms in other sectors that have gone to the wall since the 70s. Good business if you're in it.

Can anyone remember the last time an insurance company went bust?

I think we've left it too late for any ark-based plans. People in houseboats are well prepared, provided they survive the initial splash. I plan to be at least 60 metres above sea level, with the option to go higher.

I'm thinking that in terms of metres above sea level, higher is better. First, you may survive any tsunamis caused by an asteroid dunking into the sea. Second, the daunting uphill climb may deter chubby zombies. Finally, good sight lines and defensibility. What would people recommend as minimum safe height?

Plus you've got to factor in the school runs and early Friday leavers. Potential nightmare.

I wonder if on this point, you're ignoring other shots of the Earth apparently taken from half-way to the moon. In these shots, the Earth is represented as a remote object which doesn't manage to fill the viewport. In the shot I am talking about, blue light is coming through all the windows and filling all of the window, just after leaving the moon. If the astronauts are on record as saying they cannot see the sun,and that they cannot see the moon, that they've just left lunar orbit, then the Earth should be incapable of producing uniform blue light through those windows. If it isn't large enough to fill the window halfway to the moon, then what is the source of that blue, Earth-like glow?

Dude, do me a wee favour. Have a quick trawl through this thread. Tell me where I've insulted anyone who has not given it first. Then at least give me that much respect. Buctootim has known the rules for some time. You play nice, and I play nice. I don't think that is out of order.

Hmm, and you'd have no bias in that assessment, eh sir? I agree with you on this being in my character, though.

Equally that applies to c##ts. How's your gentleman image holding up, Charlie?

I'm not on any hook. Contrary to you what you probably believe, despite a little weary moment last night after seeing Horley start to play the ball instead of the man, I feel it has been a good thread. I have learned lots about the way people choose to debate, and irrespective of whether Apollo landed there or not, we've seen other matters resolved nicely.

Another way to look at it is the 8,000 or so people V-2's killed in the UK, or the 12,000 forced labourers who died making them contributed to the success you're so proud of.

Love your veneration of these wonderful people and achievement. Dr Werner Von Braun has a very interesting CV. Designed the V-2, so he has a lot of form in getting rockets somewhere without a bloke in them.

Does anyone know what time it is happening on Friday? I'd like to beat the traffic.

Well, it's funny Horley. We will never prove that JFK was assassinated through a conspiracy, but it probably happened that way (acknowledged by the last US group to investigate it). We could have the evidence to shut me up the next time a suitable opportunity to find the sites with the VLT. They've had six years. The LRO is orbiting the moon right now. Why don't we have a live feed of that? I can check out the Earth from the ISS at any time. You speak about Jodrell Bank as if its validation proves outright that the Apollo landings happened:-

Well it's obviously an honour to be lumped in with Turkish. Loads of people know who he is.

It's about where they claim to be. They are supposedly in the early stages of their return trip home. I must say, as much as I've enjoyed this thread, with the exception of Whitey G, I'm getting an insult in almost every post. I could spend hours researching additional stuff on this topic, but there's little point. Cheers to those who've participated in the debate in good spirit. Cheers also to those who were so creative and persistent with their abuse. Worst case scenario for me? I might come out of this looking like a gullible nutter. Better than some of the other outcomes.

I look forward to the day you finally get your sneering badge and move onto something else. But the sneering is quite creative, so props for that, Tim.

I believe it is.

Ah, you saw that, eh? I didn't report him.

The missus, when in a particularly spiteful mood, has remarked that we are nothing without Rickie Lambert - reminding me of his scouse origins We've won without Rickie, but we're so much better with him. He is our front, integral to the way we play. He has a set of attributes that I don't see in the other strikers. Superb in the air, free kicks, flick ons, penalties. His goal against Villa was outstanding; just ploughed through the defenders. He might not be the quickest player, but can't fault him for anything else. We'd be mental to sell him, and I genuinely hope he finishes his career here.

That's not the same thing as a full sweep around the command module though, is it? Why are they covering that lens up almost every time they make a transition? This is posterity, isn't it? So why keep covering your glory with a cardboard sign? I don't buy the "ooh, the Russians might reverse-engineer stuff", because we see loads of the command module in other shots. I particularly like the shot of the blue windows. The spacecraft has only just left lunar orbit, making the return trip to Earth. The transcript states that they cannot see the sun or the moon, yet the footage shows bright blue light coming through the windows. I'd be interested in Charlie's assessment of that too.