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Yeah, but that works both ways, Tim. It is not as if I have been indifferent to the points made on here. I've had to climbdown when I've been on shaky ground, but at the same time, I've pushed hard on the points I feel I can make. I've given quite a bit of ground on the radiation issue. Indeed, in the post I responded to regarding India, the entire first paragraph is given over to the findings of their radioactivity experiments, which acts in support of Alex's point. Then in the next part, I cite the ISRO chief's statement on termination of the mission, sourced with a link. Amazingly, despite putting forward a balanced post that concedes a point, I'm then accused of focusing on one teeny piece of evidence, when that post taken in isolation shows that I'm not.

I don't get on with it and genuinely think I'm done. They've taken this as far as they can, I reckon. Football Manager Classic is a bit of a sop to the fact that the main game takes so long to play, and some of the design choices they've made in FMC are just baffling. You can have shouts, but only when the game is auto-managed or you put them on yourself? Please. For a long time now, the game has been rubs at providing feedback. They've improved a lot of areas, but certain things, like team meetings, scare the crap out of me.

JustMikeJustSaidSo. Shouldn't be taboo in my opinion. Half the reason religion doesn't get into people's Christmas' is that they're indifferent or hostile to the Christianity part of it. They should be able to express why.

There has been very little goodwill on here this month.

You are the one that brought India into it. I suspect that you didn't really look into it. As I remarked earlier, if your case is so strong on the evidence alone, then why the need for the continued rubbishing of the posters instead of the post?

Well, if you were really doing your homework, you'd have looked into India's mission, in which radiation detection was a mission objective. Total exposure over the course of the mission was approximately 1.3Gy, which suggests that radiation might not have been an issue going through the belts. The Indian probe did have a relatively quiet time of it though; very little recorded solar flare activity - and oddly enough, this is what the ISRO chief had to say when the mission was terminated. http://www.hindu.com/2009/08/31/stories/2009083157910100.htm

I've seen the "Van Allen said it" argument in relation to the radiation belts. It's superficially compelling, and would be absolutely watertight if he'd designed and created the belts, but they're just named after him due to his discovery of them. Put it this way. America is named after Amerigo Vespucci, an early explorer. He discovered it and at the time, was a handful of Old Worlders who could genuinely claim to be an "expert". In reality, his actual knowledge was next to nil, as it is in the emerging stages of any new discovery. The fact that the place was named after him does not make him omniscient in matters American. Same thing for Van Allen. They made their discoveries using different mechanisms, but both were at the frontier.

Tokyo is in the running for the "pap 2012 tenacity award". I enjoyed his digest of the stain.

It's a shame the little evils of capitalism thread got locked. Am I wrong to think that this is a big deal? People link stuff all the time. I'm sure they expect to see something about Total Recall, not a f@@king book about dogs. Sort it out mods!

That is very weird. I can see it on the web version of the site, but didn't put the link in myself. If I go to edit the post, I don't see Total Recall wrapped in anything "linky". Sponsored words, mods?

Dunno what version you've seen, but the nips were out in the version I saw. They probs shouldn't have included it though. Needless fan service. Besides, that's nostalgia talking Bearsy. We were a simpler, less refined people in that time.

I watched the new Total Recall film. I'm a big fan of the old film; despite being a little dated now, great at the time. I can remember everyone talking about it. Really enjoyed it. They've deliberately gone for a different tone, and have merged the Michael Ironside and Sharon Stone characters into one sh!t-kickin' missus. She reminds me a bit of a Terminator. No Mars(!) at all in the plot, but I think they've done a good job of creating a world for the story. It's particularly cool seeing the United Federation of Britain

Far from it, Horley. I've acknowledged loads of your points, but you're only posting three times a day, sir - I've covered most of the material that you mention, at least in part, on other parts of the thread. Besides, I find the approach you're taking to be a little unengaging. Part fact, part character assassination, part demand for a CV; except you don't really mean "CV" - you mean dirt, which is what you have attempted to spread on those who raise the question. I have to wonder. If your case is so strong, so watertight on the evidence, then why do you feel the need to cast aspersions on those who question the official account? Why are you generalising about what conspiracy theorists are like? Isn't that an implicit form of marginalisation and a tacit warning to others not to listen to this sort of person? I also have to wonder why you're attacking Jarrah White's fashion sense rather than debunking any of the arguments he makes.

Leave wor Cheryl alone, like. She may sing poorly, marry poorly, give the odd cleaning attendant a slap - but she does a fine trade in looking emotional on Saturday night telly. Or did, anyway.

Same thing happens in any business with a decent employer, Essruu. Well, possibly not medals exactly, but gestures to recognise those who go above and beyond are quite common.

1 & possibly 2. If there is another Christmas movie with a higher bodycount than Die Hard 2, I've yet to see it.

Die Hard

Well, it has been open through thick and thin, so must be doing something right. Loads of other good pubs throughout the city centre.

You had the right idea. Weigh in with one well considered post and step back. I'm thread-committed at this point. Charlie End Charlie is now proper going off on one. It is actually worth being the target of his gentle jabs, just to see this new side of him blossom.

I don't want to convince you of my argument.

In 1979, the Senate Committee on Assassinations concluded that Kennedy was very likely assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. Many consider that report to be something of a whitewash, but the official view is that a conspiracy was very likely. Massive departure from the lone gunman theory.

The only person trying to make that case is you, sir. You've had your points answered, I haven't asserted that one conspiracy proves another, just that your claim, that a 50 year conspiracy being difficult to cover up might be slightly undermined by the existence of a 49 year old conspiracy.

The only reason I mentioned JFK after your post is because you said a fifty year cover-up would be very hard to maintain. Kennedy was assassinated in 1963.

Be sure to roll in with that other primary evidence that we have then. You're free to characterise my points as you see fit, CB Fry; but you might do a little better if you qualified any of your points.

Ha, I didn't realise the little bugger lost quite as much interest over the years, Lord D. I'm glad you had a good time. Can think of a slightly better reasons for coming here than the Ship and Mitre, though