Johnny Bognor

It may be a long long season ahead, but at least we have a Chairman who is many times more successful and wealthy than the last one. You don't become worth 2.5 billion without being more than quite good. The fact of the matter is that our last Chairman (or previous ones for that matter) didn't have the will or ability to invest. I am sure ML will do what is required. We have been going downhill for 5 years and it takes time to turn that around. If people's expectations were just to stay up and consolidate this season, then we have stabilised and can then build on from there. Norwich came down with us, bought 7 players and have achieved exactly the same....actually worse if you look at goal difference. OK, we're on -9 now, but come January, if we are still in the proverbial, ML will make the required funds available.

It's an Italian car. Ferrari 360 Modena by the looks of it.

Indeed, and ironically, if it hadn't been for MLT, we would have gone down under Lowe far sooner. I am sure even 19C's 'lord' and master is a fan.

It is also surprising that the NHS has the 2nd worst infant mortality rates (after the US) of the 24 richest countries. http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/rise-in-uks-child-mortality-rate-is-linked-to-inequality-442806.html

Very Good BTF As I have only had 5 days off this year and can work up to 18 hours a day, then forgive me if I take things a little easier in a traditionally quiet month. As a net exporter, with most of my clients being based in Germany and France, they all clear off for the month of August, which leaves me with some time for a little light relief. It is reassuring to know that both of these countries have come out of recession and so when my clients return, I will do my best to bring as much of that much needed money into our sick and weak economy, thus repairing the damage done by Clown and Co and whilst doing my best to financially support your beloved public sector.

I don't mind paying tax and I don't mind having a safety net for people. Our only differences are the extent to which this goes, in terms of how much people are taxed and how much is spent. There is massive Government waste and the system could be improved which would either provide better services or save the tax payer money. I suppose what I want is better value from the state. Not sure this is relevant, but as I admit to paying tax, I suppose I must do.

OK, for many it is most, for the rest it is a significant proportion (circa 45%) so it is nealy most. It is actually quite staggering....... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/5268998/Average-worker-pays-7.27-an-hour-in-tax.html

Why is it the lefties don't want to recognise taxpayers' contributions? They accept that money comes from taxation vehicles (whether that be income tax, VAT, etc), but don't like to mention that it is real people that have to pay it. That's right, they have to go out, work hard and hand over most of their money in taxes. Go on BTF, just say it once, the tax payer pays for everything. It won't make you less of a socialist for doing so. OK, you got me there

You have eloquently explained how the NHS is operated, but who funds the government?

Of course there is, as all taxpayers pay into the pot and don't necessarily take out what they pay in. No, but on average we do contribute this amount, one way or another - unless the Clown is lumping the cost on governement borrowing for future generations to pay off. It would be difficult for me to work out Delldays exact contribution as I don't know his earning and tax arrangements. Therefore, it is sensible to look at the average cost per capita, because on average, that is what it costs per person. In terms of what people actually pay on average, then you have to look at the total cost, divided by the number of taxpayers. As there are 30m taxpayers in the UK, on average a taxpayer will be contributing £3600 per annum. Some taxpayers will be paying more than this, whilst some will be paying less.

So you are not Speculator then?

As the money raised was given to the club during administration, is it not the responsibility of the administrators to include this in their final report to the creditors? Not sure if "we" have any "right" to that information though.

Have to say, didn't notice that before. Well, we now have a song for Markus (to the tune of yellow submarine). Altogether, now... We've been taken over by yellow billionaire, a yellow billionaire a yellow billionaire We've been taken over by yellow billionaire, a yellow billionaire a yellow billionaire

Well, the spend per head on the NHS is approx £1834 per annum which is roughly $3000, so for a family of three the NHS spends an equivalent of $9000 per annum. Bearing in mind that this burden is funded by the tax payer, who represent approximately half of the population, I would have thought a tax payer would be paying (directly or indirectly) quite a bit more than $9000 per annum for their free at the point of delivery healthcare. So the "cost" of our free at the point of delivery healthcare is probably not too dissimilar to the "cost" of the expensive American healthcare.

...don't want to be picky but that is two. If you need help with your maths, just let me know. Education, education, education eh? Anyway, luckily for me I don't believe in such fairytales as "father christmas", "monsters under the bed" or "no more boom and bust". Anyway, good morning to you.

Read on and the labour lie unfolds

Read my previous post (http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showpost.php?p=415787&postcount=121) where the Labour party, on their own website, claim it is free. I rest my case. Goodnight

From the liebour party website: http://www.labour.org.uk/proud/labour_nhs To save you the bother: For the first time ever hospital services, family practitioner services (doctors, pharmacists, opticians and dentists) and community-based services were available to the public for free under one organisation. Game. Set. Match Goodnight. Mods you can lock this thread now.

....DD you are spot on. Many in the general public seem to think it's free, well I suppose it is if you don't pay tax. The original point of the thread was in response to the rabid right wing in the US. Well my point is that it is no different to the bull fed to us from Brown & co when they 'infer' that is free. To be fair, you can see why they do it as they win a decent percentage of the moronic vote. I would like our leaders to improve the NHS rather than just chuck a load of money at it. I think the debate should move on to what should and shouldn't be covered as the current system is unsustainable. If you have a boob job and it goes wrong, you should have to pay for it. Apparently it costs approximately £1500 to treat your average drunk in A&E on a saturday night - is this essential? Especially when lives are at risk?

You know where I am coming from. BTF states that health spending comes from Central Government and not from a specific tax. Whilst she is technically correct, you still have to pay for it. My problem is the inference that it is not acceptable to pay a specific tax but it is OK if it comes from the central pot - when essentially the 'take' is the same.

I am not against the NHS - as I have said I would rather have an NHS as opposed to no NHS. However, I am against the leftie smokescreen that perpetrates the lie that it is Free. Even BTF goes on about how it comes out of Government spending as if G Clown goes into No 10's garden to pick money off the money tree that pays for all the great work he has achieved, whilst not costing us a penny. I brought up the issue of the French system as one poster held up the NHS as a shining example of success, being 17th in the world rather than 38th (like the US system). I happen to think that the number 1 system should be held up as an example, which also seems to be a comprise between the UK and US systems. As it happens, the US is decidedly Championship material, whilst the NHS is hovering above the relegation places. Meanwhile the French are league champions and in the running for Champions League. Sorry about the illustration, but this is a footie website. I was merely highlighting that the welfare state was not the only brain child of the left. Did you know that the tories invented income tax coupled with subsidies for the poor? Some 60-70 years before the labour movement existed?

.....which ultimately comes out of our pay packet. I don't always agree with St George, but we do all have to pay for it in one way or another, just as I had to pay for my sandwich........there is no such thing as a free lunch (God I am good).

But, how can you go from..... to...... Are you in favour of paying for GP appointments even if the charge is equivalent to about £5.50 (€22 / 1.2 x 30%)???? It works for the French, who have the number 1 healthcare system in the world. For anyone who is interested or has the time, this is a good read...... http://www.europarl.europa.eu/workingpapers/saco/pdf/101_en.pdf

See section of fees: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_in_France http://about-france.com/medical-help.htm €22 to see a GP. You pay it and the state refund 70%........ It seems the best system in the world is actually a combination of the US and UK systems. I ate a sandwich for lunch which was FREE at the point of consumption......still had to pay for it though