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Not at your age but it will make a difference to younger people and - because there is a long lag between carbon emissions and feeling the full effect, to people not even born yet. Around 100 years of further warming is already locked in even if we stop emitting now. Why is it you think that just because natural climate change is real, man made climate change isn't?

Did your wife never tell you quantity is no substitute for quality? Back to chemistry primer for you. There is always natural climate change and there is man made climate change. Since people overwhelmingly live in the areas which have climates hospitable to human life changing that climate would be a bad thing. The analogy I like to use for Portsmouth poly students is not burning your house down now just because the area might have warmed a bit naturally in a thousand years time . btw the Romans usually had to add honey to make wine in England because the grapes didn’t ripen fully. I don’t need to do that now for the grapes in my garden

Bizarre. That is a move which will both cost the government £73m in revenue and put pressure on Silver Spoon who make their sugar in Britain from sugar beet grown in East Anglia

The courier company?

Lol all three were about the same Taxpayers Alliance campaign ffs. It was even the same guy writing the article in Conservative home as wrote the Taxpayers report PR release. I'm going to stop mocking you because I think you have a genuine medical issue.

I suppose pantomime counts as theatre.

More fuckwittery. The Taxpayers Alliance release didnt say the quangos should not be funded, simply there should be a better balance of political leadership - essentially more Tories. At one time it was complicated concepts you couldn't understand. Now its just comprehending plain English.

Same kind of thing here. I've got a 15 year old Honda CRV. Its spacious, comfortable, well equipped, totally reliable and still in great condition. I keep on thinking I should replace it just because its old. Occasionally I take new cars out on test drives or rent them for holidays but offer nothing more than I've got - so why change something that works and costs me next to nothing?

Maybe so. But you cant predict anything five years ahead in politics. Even if May had delivered a Norway Brexit she never came across as a confident PM - so either she would have been deposed and we might have still got Boris or maybe she would have stuck it out and either lost at a GE or somehow got a new mandate. Regardless of whether you think no deal is good or bad most people think the process has been a shambles. Two weeks away from January 1st and nobody in business knows what they're supposed to be doing. Customs isnt ready, infrastructure at Dover isnt ready. Britain's image has taken a real hammering and long term I think that will do more damage than being in or out.

Yep thats fair. Largely wouldn't disagree. The only point I'd make is that easing yourself out into a halfway house, seeing how the land lies and making a next steps decision a few years later has a lot of benefits rather than cannonballing into the unknown. Notably it wouldnt have divided the population as has happened now, it would maintained a perception of stable business friendly government and decisions would be on real experience rather than predictions. Also it would have actually been faster - we could have been out on Norway terms a couple of years ago.

The point is that the current brexit negotiator warned of the serious consequences of mishandling negotiations and advocated for Norway as a c5yr landing spot. Anyhow this is dull for everybody else. Is just say most people on this thread have found you , let’s say , lacking. I’m fine with you and Wes parroting back the things said to you

This bit below piggy. The bit in big clear bold type. You googled, found the quote and still didn't manage to read or process it. Congrats. Breath taking job. 1. Its not hypothetical because its his real view in a real quote about what should happen. 2 He clearly says "five years" thats how 99% of the population would know he meant 'five years' The combination of you struggling with what is directly under your nose and Wes gleefully claiming I'd responded to his post when it was clearly marked as Badger's not his is a freaking world wonder. The most tragic aspect of the past 4.5 years is that so few people can make a coherent case for Brexit. There is one but none of you, Wes or poison boy boy have any idea what it might be. "Frost called for a positive approach to negotiations, and suggested that the UK to adopt a Norway-style transitional arrangement. In that scenario, the UK would remain in the European single market, a free trade agreement between EU countries. He said: "We should say that we intend, after exit, to retain this status for say five years and to use that period to reflect and if necessary negotiate a Free Trade Agreement like Canada’s, if that is what we want to do, or to keep Norway status if we don’t." "

Part of me is reassured by the robustness of the US safeguards. Nearly all of the public officials and judges did their duty regardless of their own personal politics. But you cant ignore the fact that over half of the Republican senators and representatives backed the Texas case - basically one state attacking three others in a brazen attempt to get a national Presidential election overturned. Phoney nationalism has done huge damage to social cohesion of both the US and UK and to the respect other countries accord to us.

Maybe if you read something you'd know it was five years and not hypothetical. God forbid even go back and check on the quote. But you don't, only squeal when you get shown up.

Of course. I'm thinking of giving it to the Care4Calais charity.

He's definitely a Doris

He said for five years piggy. Not one. Then after five years decide if we want to keep Norway or move to a Canada type deal. I agree with him. That would have been a workable plan. Not the clusterfuck we have now.

Brexit would be "our most complex negotiation ever. Whole industries will be destroyed if we get it wrong". The UK should adopt a Norway-style transitional arrangement. In that scenario, the UK would remain in the European single market, a free trade agreement between EU countries. David Frost. Brexit Adviser to Doris Johnson and Chief Trade negotiator. June 2016 Fancy that. The things people say. Principles they give up on.

Maybe just grab her by it. Thats permissible apparently

I don't have you on ignore. As usual you read, got confused about who said what and didnt understand. I just choose to not engage with you unless you behave like a sentient rational being. Which isnt often. There is discussion to be had about the merits of the Vietnam deal and whether that will help open up ASEAN or whether its simply not possible for a high wage country to have a wide ranging deal with a low wage country which benefits us. But I doubt you are the person to have that with.

Yes but it wasn't fair because the other side wanted things too. And we're sovereign, and stuff.

Bit of a segue but did you see that programme "I am a Killer"? The general prison regime is so brutal that at least two of the people interviewed committed a further murder solely to get onto the relatively cushy life on Death Row - where people typically lived for 20 years before sentence. Perverse.

I will. That was my parting gift :)

Wes I have contempt for you, not because of Brexit, some people can make a cogent argument and have honestly held beliefs - but because you are destructive, dishonest, dissembling, disingenuous shape shifter. You are an absolute horror of a man. That is all.