Matthew Le God

Oh dear Turkish. You jumped into this discussion and have forgotten how it started. It started with me questioning the claim that they have taken money out of the group. No-one has provided any evidence of them doing that. Time after time you fail to understand the burden of proof. You fail to comprehend, avoid questions and make petty insults. Rinse and repeat, year after year.

Still waiting for an explanation of how they would take money out of the accounts and no one notice it happening. This isn't just me, I mean... no one noticing! Have you have been taking accounting advice from Kwasi Kwarteng!?

Utter nonsense and avoidance yet again. I'm very familiar with how business accounts work and it is obvious when millions are leaving the account to the owners. The reverse is evident. The accounts show them putting large amounts into the club in the accounts.

Time after time you have failed to explain how they are "getting Premier League money" out of the group and keeping it for themselves.

It isn't hard to spot money leaving accounts of the group. What the accounts do show is they have put large amounts into Saints!

Suggest a motivation for not wanting to be as successful as they can be?

It isn't.

Name a non "black and white example" of them taking money out of the group.

1) Name them! 2) Yes you did, you said... "it’s clearly not about making SFC as successful as it can be"

Utter nonsense yet again. How are they removing money from the group?

I think you will struggle to find examples of doing that to Sport Republic. On what are you basing the claim of not wanting Saints to be successful?

You have now made a number of claims... "football not as a byproduct" "the main driver is to make more and more money for the owners" "Football is no longer the fundamental principle strategy point and selling is for Saints and has been for a while." But that does not hold water! There is zero evidence in the accounts of them taking money out of the group.

There are only two or three clubs in world football that are not selling clubs. It is unrealistic to think Saints will ever join that elite list. It is better to have players like van Dijk and Mane for 2 seasons and enjoy their time with us, rather than plod along with players and staff the elite clubs will never want. You say "the main driver is to make more and more money for the owners", but that does not hold water. There is zero evidence in the accounts of them taking money out of the group.

He also says David Wagner and Will Still.

£30m for a 28 year old with 2 years left on his £100k per week contract is 'well under value'. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66441159 So how much do you think he should have gone for?

Were they 'clueless' when they got a fee potentially rising to £58m for Lavia after relegation?

Growing number of names linked with RB Leipzig. Rohl just one of many linked.

I think that is more damning about the standard of the French league than it is of Saints!

He backtracked on that! https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13243854/jose-mourinho-exclusive-fenerbahce-manager-on-life-in-istanbul-his-relationship-with-uefa-and-a-premier-league-return "I made a joke, I'm never going to a team fighting relegation. I will never go. I get upset, and I'm not in the period of my career to get upset. I'm in the period of my career to be happy all the time and at this moment playing in European competitions, I am getting upset all the time. But I'm not going to fight relegation. It's too hard! Honestly, I believe that has to be the hardest thing. It's more difficult than playing for titles. It has to be very hard emotionally, because it's something that changes lives. I think it's brave guys that do it."

Another strawman fallacy! I have not done that! I said don't judge him on the mistakes of others. I have not said he will be a success or failure. That is the rational position to take!

Strawman fallacy I didn't say that at all

Why are you still continuing with that? In 2025 a fee that may or may not rise to €5m (depending on appearances etc) and any money that is paid will be in installments for the French under 19 captain who has 20 appearances in the French 2nd tier is not out of place in the transfer market. Yet you keep bringing it up!

That was my entire point! Don't judge someone on the actions of others! Remain neutral until they fuck up or are successful (or mediocre).

1) At no point have I done that! All I've done is say he isn't responsible for the mistakes of those before him and wait and see what he does. 2) Those that fucked up in the past are no longer making football decisions. So judging someone new on the actions of his predecessors is illogical. That is the point!

What happened in previous seasons isn't relevant. Next season will be based on who Johannes Spors appoints as manager and what he does on player recruitment. The Sport Republic previous fuck ups are irrelevant as Johannes Spors had nothing to do with them. So judging him on the mistakes of others is illogical.