Give it to Ron

Chez Seconded but can I also add experienced and defender to that list. We can afford loaning him, Pulis and Gasmi so money cannot be an excuse.

We are only getting a walk up crowd(non ST's) of 4-5k at the moment - just wondering if they offered the March madness deal now on a pro rata basis if many would take it up? Wouldn't **** me off as a ST holder and the club needs money up front now.

Didn't the Skates try and sign Musampa's brother Kris ;-)

Some of us have been renewing our Adult/Junior ST for years so if that was aimed at me then read the post again.

I think the £2 was the local teams that can bring 10 boys and 2 adults for £20 they do this for a few games during the season.

Sorry no idea but there was an interesting discussion on Radio Hampshire with David Luker last night. He said there was no chance of tickets being cut as this would alienate the 10k of season ticket holders who would not renew the next season. He did say they would try and promote the kids for £2 to fill the stadium more but again there are quite a few junior ST holders who again would not renew. He said what most of us are saying...until the team wins more games the stadium will be half empty despite anything they try. Good bloke Mr Luker had some good results from him and he came across very well.

Dyer signed a contract for us otherwise he would of gone for nothing..or very little at that time. If he is a success at Sheff Utd then we may get something for him whereas we wouldn't of before. I have no problem really with Dyer off as long as the replacement is what we need and for the life of me cannot see we need a striker more than a defender with Thomas out for the season and Svennson struggling and everyone realising we need more experience in the team.

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=10656 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=10636 Spot the contradiction here... we have no wingers then loan out one of the only ones we have. Why not just tell the truth its wages pure and simple. We could put 5 strikers in the middle but unless we have someone who gives us width and can cross it whats the point? Moan bloody moan thats all this club is driving us to and thanks for forums like this that allows us to vent our spleen. We need experience and defenders not what we have loads of already. 3 goals in 15 games is not a goalscorer no matter how much you dress it up.

Plus a left back plus a great big hairy arsed lump who will kick the ****e out of anyone who comes near our defence and kids. It works for 90% of the teams in this league yet we continue with shorties against giants and why we concede or nearly do from every set piece.

Yep thats it for me the route of our problems in the last few years..not one manager has sorted the defence. Until we have a rock solid foundation at the back we will continue to struggle. It is having an effect on the midfield who are frightened to push forward and leave gaps behind - watch how many join into the box on attacks. Good to see we have signed another forward!

Ladysaint I have only watched him a couple of times and IMO not yet. Oscar to me is more a central midfielder - breaking up play and getting us going forward. To throw him in now would be a big mistake as we have too many kids in now and one more could see them all ruined for good confidence wise. I would stick with Jake who I think is better than Dyer anyway - just needs experience and his end product is far better than Dyer 'the headless chicken'.

Was it poor management or pressure from above to win the game with the best players playing to get us more cash from the next round of the cup? I think its again the lack of cash biting us on the arse.

My Granddad won the Croix De Guerre perhaps PSG should be my time.

What do you mean 'when the going gets tough' its been bloody tough since Dec 21st 2003 when we stuffed the Skates 3-0...ever since then its been a nightmare and continual downward spiral. Its Ok preaching on message boards but pointless as IMO most of them have turned their back completely now and wont even read about Saints let alone pay to watch until we start winning games again - then they will return. Nothing but winning will see them back - lower prices, Askham/Lowe/Wilde/Crouch all selling up, Lucy Pinder as pre-match warm up okay maybe that one ;-) nothing but victories will bring back the crowd.

Aston Villa and Man City won on Saturday...when was our last win? I don't think its the fans that need to stick with the plan they have no choice really as in the blood. I think most look at the manager and see a man drowning, I certainly do especially after listening to him on the radio and now reading the Echo today. Things do not add up, McGoldrick looks either knackered or ****ed off although I know he has what I call a lazy gait in the way he moves that can be mistaken for laziness. BWP was criticised by JP then selected next game. Football opinions are like arseholes everyone has one and we all think we can pick a better team unfortunately at the moment I think most could!

I was there when he did it and believe me it looked bad as soon as he went down! There was no way he would fake that injury ....unless he is a contortionist! Its a shame as he was playing really well and the kids seem to like him and respect him and I believe exactly what we need at the moment. Whether he will rush back having been told him and Thomas were surplus to requirements..who knows maybe he will be a model professional and will but its hardly a motivating thing is it and until January he can still pick up his wages on the sick.

I knew there would be a thread like this today.....you cannot compare our kids with Arsenal. The setup is totally different..not just financially, they have 9 foreign scouts who look at a player, they then all get together to decide if he is good enough. We have a very good academy for our level but it should not be used for a season then be the first team for the next! Our problem is not whether the kids are good enough as they are its just you cannot blood 8 or 9 in the CC against teams that just out muscle you every week.

One thing is certain with Davies(apart from him being a prize ****) he wouldn't let 20 year old nobodies sulk and moan at being asked to play a role and continue to pick him. He wouldn't moan about a player in an after match interview " Bradley showed great energy against Ipswich coming on as a sub but didn't see that today" after Saturday yet he started last night. BD won't get the job he is too opinionated for our current board

You do know Euell is out injured for months along with Thomas don't you?

So if we don't have any money why sign Gasmi and Pulis? Why did we not use that money for more experience when it is bloody obvious these very talented kids need help? Sorry if that reads aggressive its not meant that way just I am baffled why we signed Pulis even if he is on £500 a week that could be used elsewhere plus agents fees etc.

Listening to him on the radio this morning it seems JP has realised what most have been saying all pre season he sounded as though he had enough and was lost. We need experience to go along with the youth - to gamble the whole season on Killer being fit at the back was ludicrous. Thomas and several of the senior pros were told they were "surplus to requirements" so is it any wonder things look bleak not exactly great for morale. We cannot keep playing the skint card...we have to find a solution quick get in some loans like we did with Lucketti or Delldays will have nothing to keep on about people enjoying the CC every other post as we will be on our way to League 2 with Bournemouth after points deductions.

Or stuck with Sturrock for more than the opening 2 games of the season - his record here was pretty good....compared to Wigley etc and we only needed 2 more wins!!! Its all hypothetical though Nick isn't it....who knows whether Hoddle could of turned this club round he didn't do so well at Wolves with double the money he would of had here. Edit: wait for the resident Norwich nutjob

But no-one does the after match moan as good as Redkrapp...he has years of experience at it. It brightened up my day to see old saggy chops moaning again.

I thought Wotton was very good on Saturday and along with Lallana my MOM although to be fair Barnsley were crap but you can only do your job. He rollocked McGoldrick several times for lack of effort. I think he will prove all the doubters on here wrong....again.

Some very good points here but....there are loads of people who have been going for years that have supported the club through thick and thin that have now just had enough. Many like me have a couple of season tickets and shout, sing , swear and encourage as much as they ever did but even that is now dwindling away and thinking of packing it all in as its too painful to watch the dross on display. I have mates that used to bleed red and white ST holders who just can't take any more of games like Saturday - we all have kids that play Tyro and to be honest its better watching them now. Its not the young players fault they are honestly trying as hard as they can but need help and support from more experienced players than we have now. I know we are skint and facing Admin etc but if we go down we will anyway - we have trimmed down the wage bill dramatically and virtually have nothing left to sell but also have lost the one thing you need in this league is experience we need somehow to get in loans from somewhere to help out. It has not gone unnoticed in my eyes the fact that the only other club mainly playing kids is Palace and they are just above us. The only thing that will bring the crowds back is a winning team - lower prices will help but how long will that last if we stay near the bottom? I honestly believed that our main problem before was that being a PLC we forgot the main thing at this football club is the first team and went off on tangents like radio stations, insurance etc. The one thing we need now is to concentrate on the first team again and pull every resource we have into getting that right and winning again and the rest...fans and additional revenue will increase if the main product is right at the moment its not.