Saintandy666

http://www.dalhousielodge.org/Thesis/scotstonc.htm Just for your interest, there are the ethnic groups. By those stats, I make it about 60% who would speak English as first language. But I don't think language is a massive barrier. Just look at South Africas language split!!! - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_South_Africa

Exactly, nations are psychological constructs. What people think now is irrelevant. In the future certain turns of events could create other psychological communities.

That doesn't even make sense. I don't think anyone on this forum understands what ideology is with the way they chuck around liberal and socialist etc Also, thanks for engaging me in debate!

And for what it is worth, the time is no-where near right for a USE at the moment, in this crisis. I'm just trying to say it isn't as ridiculous as people think.

And the UK has barely any power or influence anyway. As a United Europe though, we'd be a significant player in it and a United Europe would carry far more influence than the UK.

Whether there are abuses of power is irrelevant to size of the democracy. For example Swaziland(a tiny country) has massive corruption(http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?ccrcountry=168&ccrpage=37&edition=8&page=140&section=84), but then so do many larger countries. What prevents corruption is accountability and how the system is set up. What checks and balances are put in place and how power is exercised.

It is just a different ideological view and there are arguments to back both sides? And where you stand depends on what you believe, and much cleverer people than you and me believe what I believe and what you believe, so I don't think either are ill thought out ideas. Both are conceivable and workable scenarios, but which one is better? Differences are irrelevant. Most of the differences over Europe are merely psychological loyalty towards a geographical area of land. Much more unites us than divides us, and we are stupid to fight when we are so much stronger together. I don't necessarily support a USE or not, but it is viable, economically and democratically. And I know I am in the minority, but that doesn't mean I am wrong. And even if I am the only person that thinks what I do, it doesn't matter so your point is pretty invalid unless you don't believe in a free market of ideas?

You always dismiss other ideas as stupid or anti-democratic when really they are just different views to yours.

Also, I love how you assume my views must come from my parents. I can assure you I differ from my parents in MANY areas. But it's hardly relevant to this discussion, and I don't see why I am now having to defend myself against this. It bloody annoys me how eurosceptics can not understand how people have different views. If you do you either 'come from the establishment' or 'get your views from your parents'. At least I respect your views and see why you came to them. I understand and see the arguments that you hold. You hold however, zero respect for mine.

I never said that people just want to get along and co-operate. I think if you read my point, you'd see that I am bemoaning that people choose NOT to get along because they were built on a different geographical area of land...

How does it make you a traitor to democracy... I'm not going to force it on you. I'd only want it if it was popular overall(which I concede it isn't). You are the one who is a 'traitor' to democracy by suggest I am a traitor for having a different view to you. A USE could be perfectly democratic if set up properly. And as for being a traitor to my country, see above. I love living in the UK, but I really think it's about time some of us stopped fighting over where we were born. We're all humans.

US States have strong identities as individual states... as well as the obviously strong USA identity on top. Though to be honest, the whole idea that what nation people believe they are in matters in the grand scheme of thing is bull****. Nations are created in the mind, and are purely psychological. What matters is how we treat each other and how we treat the world. The sooner we realise we are totally insignificant beings on a tiny rock floating in the big of a massive area of nothing, the better. We need to stick together, and co-operate more, not separate ourselves up and fight because we were born on a different area of geographical land which didn't even exist as an entity not so long ago. And I've surprised myself with that rant.

A United States of Europe wouldn't be as disastrous as you think. Economically, we'd be a massive bloc(the world's largest economy). And we'd be able to make people listen to us in a way the EU doesn't quite yet. And as for identity... US States still have strong identities even though they are in the US.

A northern Euro is an interesting concept. So I put this to people... if the the Euro had the so called 'desirable countries' in it, i.e your northern countries like France and Germany and not Greece and so on, would people be more interested? It'd only make the Euro more attractive 20 years down the line.

It won't be good for most people at all(For example, in my case my Dad works for an Italian company. If the Eurozone goes kaput, I'm more than a little bit worried about that. My dad is 50... so 10 years is a long time). The jobs will go and there won't be anymore because there won't be any money. It's start a circle of decline.

It's hardly in China's interests for us to go bust... if we can't buy their goods, they'll go down as well as their internal market isn't big enough to support themselves. Maybe it's in their interests for them to loan us money as some point though. Through financial might will come policy influence.

If the eurozone goes bust... it won't be 'short term pain', it'll be long term economic catastrophe that could take 10 years plus to recover from... at least.

I don't know why a lot of you are wishing for the end of the Euro. It would be us completely ****ed too. The euro can and will work, they just need to set it up properly this time rather than fast tracking parts of it. If the Euro collapsed, the UK would be completely screwed. All(largest amount) our trade is with Europe.

I find that a bit of caffeine can sometimes help me if I have work to do, but that might just be all inside my head. I think sometimes, how people act on drugs in down to what people think they do to them.

I'm sorry, what?

They are morons. I hate the EDL, a bunch of racist fascist thugs. I'd rather they were nowhere near this cause, but oh well.

Been there once or twice. It's okay, but nothing special compared to Edinburgh.

It all depends whether they decide to continue with running this story and how hard they go down on her. It's sad really, that so much of government policy is dictated by a moronic newspaper.

He'll be there for now. I have a feeling that the Mail and Express will run with this.

This cock-up. The cat-lie cock-up. Her handling of protest cock-up. Her views on homosexuality cock-up. Just her, I'll be glad when Theresa May is gone. She is utterly unlikeable.