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I'm sure when they were lifting the trophy and celebrating winning it by 20 points whilst smashing Hearts 5-0 they really regretted letting Hooliveld go.

Because the intelligent posters are demanding we "build it now" and are angry at Corteses lack of ambition that we've made it to the Premier league but dont have our champions league sized stadium in place.

* sighs * I did say dont ramble. A shelf stakers salary against a barrister is as relevant as the average wage of the man on the street against a proffesional top level football not like for like. You keep saying i said our attendances in 1982 are relevant to our attendances in 2020. They aren't. It's a very simple concept to grasp The voice of reason, people said we never progressed on in the early 80's because we were restricted by the Dell. We clearly weren't. You say yourself much less people went to football those day. However, we clearly were restricted by the Dell in the 90's, i've already made that point,what did we do? oh tha's right we moved, when demand outstripped supply. We had a 5 year waiting list for tickets for example, something the Intelligent Posters claim isn't important. Oh no, the intelligent posters want us to build it now, dont worry if it's a total waste of money and we never ever fill the extra seating. Cortese has millions he is going to sqaunder on us. Ever thought that the Liebherrs are worth £3b because they didn't spend stupidly without proof it was needed first? And as has ben mentioned Cortese had a 5 year plan for the premier league. Why arent we building now if he was absolutely certain we had all these thousands of fans just waiting for our promotion and fill all our extra seats? Surely Cortese view is the same as the retarded posters and not the intelligent "build it now" brigade?

These's a surprise.... Would say a shelf stacker in Tescos ask for a payrise and base their demands on what a barrister gets paid? Answer the question yes or and no and try not to ramble please. An on your other point so we now did show ambition in 1982 did we? And we now werent restricted by the Dell because less people went back then do our capacity was not restricting our growth. Basically not restricted by the Dell at all. That is the essence of what you've just said, yes?

What's your excuse for talking nonsense?

Who said it was? The point i am making and that you intelligent posters are failing to understand is that despite the claims of the intelligent posters we were not held back by the Dell in the early 80's.

FACT. Also proof that the environment at the time meant we were not held back and did not need a bigger stadium.

Do you compare your wages today with other people in your industry when looking for a pay rise or do you tell them you should be on loads more because Doctors earn more than you?

Obviously they are going to pay a higher price. It's 30 years later FFS. Does a loaf of bread or litre of petrol cost the same now as it did in 1982?

I dont understand what the average wage of an office worker or builder in 1982 has to do with what a footballer would be on now. Like for like comparisons. Keegan was on 4.5 times the average footballers wage. On the same ratio he'd be on £150k a year. It doesn't suit your intelligent posters argument and just because you dont like it because it doesn't suit you "we didn't need rescourses in 1982" arguement but it's clear as day.

any chance of typing that again in bullet points? It's bad enough have to read "The voice of reason" rambling.

paying the European footballer of the year 4.5 times the average footballers wage isn't having ambition and resorces then?

Err so what? Keegan was on 4.5 times what the average footballer was on in 1982. If he was on 4.5 times what the average footballer is on now he'd be on £150k a week. It's simple The Voice of Reason. Very simple.

How many billionares were around buying football clubs in 1982?

Dear oh dear What is it about you "intelligent posters"?!! You just dont get it do you? People have been at pains to announce that we've never had ambtion and resource before. That we were held back in the 80's because we didn't have a rich owner and the Dell was too small. We are going to attract all these millions of new fans becauser it's different now than in the 1980s when we had a team full of internationals, finished second in the league, played in Europe every season. No resources and ambiton. Yet we signed the European Footballer of the year on 4.5 times the average wage for that time. Which today would put him on near on £150k a week. "but but but, that damed Dell, it held us back" Err not quite my ol' chum, we actually averaged 7k less than capacity in our best season ever. Our biggest crowd was 3.5k less than capacity that season. I know you lot cant get over it and hate it but thems the fact our dear old intellegent posters. We weren't held back by anything at all. And it's nothing to do with what might happen in the future. just merely pointing out how wrong you people are that can remember the Munich air crash that actually, we have had ambition and resource in the past.

I guess that fact the NC isn't expanding right now means he subscribes to the retarded poster logic, rather than the build it and they will come intelligent posters, yes?

You are clearly not understanding it Franks "the voice of reason" Cousin. What does the average wage in the public have to do with how much Keegan was being paid? People are banging on that we never pushed on in the early 80's because we were held back by the Dell. When in fact we were, we rarely sold out. Apparantly we lacked ambition and resource, when we signed the Euopean football of the year on the equvilent in 1982 of £150k a week, based on what his wages in 1982 against the average wage of a footballer then and what it is now. I'll make it even easier for you. Average wage of a footballer 1982 - £750 a week - £39k PA Average weekly wage of a football 2012 - £33k a week Keegans wage in 1982 - £175k/£39k = 4.5 4.5 x £33k = £148k Per week in 2012 Keegan was would be on almost £148k a week using how much footballer wages have exploded by if was paying for us today. It really isn't difficult to comprehend grandad.

Of course you need more now resource Franks "the voice of reason" Cousin!! Things cost more!! The average wage in 1982 was about £9k a year, do you still earn that??!!! The world moves on, in 1982 teachers used blackboards and chalk now they use white boards and pens and everything!!! So Keegan was on £175k a year was he? Well based on 1982 when the average fooball top flight football was on £750 a week that would make him on 4.5 times the average footballers wage for the era. Using the same ratio and the 2011 average premier league football is on £33000, that would put him on nearly £150k a week, consider the lack of TV revenue and sponsorship corporate stuff etc most of his wage would come from gate reciepts, that is a huge amount of money for the time is it not?? Like you go on to say, we also had some good ex internationals at the time, surely they who wont have cheap and a top manager who around that time turned down Man United! As you rightly say demand wasn't there for a bigger stadium. So in the early 80s we werent held back, because demand wasn't there and we rarely sold out. It really isn't difficult to grasp the voice of reason. So did we have ambition and resourses back then or didn't we??? Despite rarely coming close to filling the Dell, were we held back by it or weren't we?

Read the last couple of pages of the thread and try to understand them sunshine. FFS. "Never had ambition and resources before"- how much more ambition do you need than to sign the European footballer of the year and best goal keeper in the world? "Held back by the Dell" We weren't in the 80s FACT. Yet again the intelligent posters are shown up by those with retarded logic.

Another breath taking dull and rambling and wide of the mark post. Who is using them as a Benchmark of what crowds we would get not. People are claiming that in the early 80s we were held back by the Dell. We weren't. In our best season ever we averaged 18k and had a high of 21k in a 25k capacity stadium.

Who cares what the reasons where? We've been told we were restricted by the Dells capacity in early 80s. We weren't.