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People cant have it both ways, in a tolerant society it would be hypocritical to condemn the EDL for marching for their beliefs.

As i said on the other the thread. You lot are liberal, you want a tolerant society, you helped create it. The EDL are only standing up and marching for their beliefs. Give the society you want they should be applauded. Or is it a case of they can only march if it is for what you want them to believe in?

Why? As TDD says they are standing up for their beliefs. You lot are liberal, you should be delighted by it.

nah, you're cramping my style.

:lol: You and me both.

what you hijacking every post with your sh*t? Nah, its only the internet, some people take it too seriously.

Oh we are overun with them telling us what they think of the EDL, however they are only excercising their rights. If we are as tolarent as we like to think we are then we should listen to their voice and applaud them without condemation.

I dont see what your problem is. You lot are tolerant, you wanted this sort of society, the EDL have as much right to take to the streets and demostrate as gays, students, religious groups, industrial unions etc. You wanted this society and you helped create it. So stop getting yourselves at it and applaud them taking advantage of the rights you have allowed them.

And who decides how much is too much? Who decides when it is correct to be tolerant? AS TDD says do the liberals respect the EDL right for freedom of speech? and the BNP for that matter.

this.

I find it amusing that this liberal types who are all for live and let live are quick to critise anyone that doesn't agree with their way of thinking. It seems you can only "live and let live" if they way you want to live your life confirms to their beliefs, making their liberal beliefs worthless.

You asked me a question and i answered it, not making a point. As i said it depends on what you mean by moving on. Would you rather live in a safer society with less crime but was less tolerant of certain types or a tolerant society where crime is rife? As society has become more tolerant it has also become more violent, more criminal, people have become more selfish and materialistic, is this just coincidence? Who knows, but it may have something to so with it.

Lets hope you are right, however i am of the view that people that engage in this sort of behaviour should be subject to the toughest possible sentances, in some cases i'd even bring back the death penalty. I've noticed a definiate weakening from the courts towards this sort of offence over the past 5 years or so. It seems that the current view is they dont need prison, they need help for their problems, which is criminal in itself.

If you speak to the older generation, grandparents etc, many still have a view that homosexuality is disgusting, in the same way that every right minded person thinks this about peadophillia today. There is no way on earth that 70 years ago people would accept that homosexuality be not only legalised, but fashionable, in every paper magazine and tv programme and gay people will be adopting and raising children. I think you are missing the point, i am not saying they are similar, or homosexuals are like peadophiles, of course they aren't but the fact is that the views of society on them were similar, albeit a couple of generations apart.

far from it, this place is always a good place to come to cheer you up, makes you realise how many wierdos there are out there.

Depends on your definition of "moving on" our society is more tolerant these days, (as long as you agree with the mainstream) no bad thing. On the negaitive side however there is more crime, violence, teenage pregenancy, drug abuse, family and marriage breakdown etc. If that is "moving on" then i suppose it has. Anyway, what are you going to be doing 25th of December this year? Have you volenteered to work over easter bank holiday as you wont be celebrating it this year?

Thanks, but i already know this.

and you dismissed it the mutters of knuckle draggers. If society has moved on are you going to be throwing away the christmas tree this year? Or are you going to be a hypocrite and join in the celebration of the festival of the birth of christianity?

So the bits that suit you then?

Not anymore they aren't they used to be, when people were more religious, but you brought up the bible. Christmas and easter celebrates the birth and death of the the king of "knuckle draggers" Surely it would be hypocritical of you to celebrate it given your last comment?

What you mean like comapring the life of a child to driving a car or owning a dog? I bet if you asked someone in 1940 if they ever thought homosexuality would be legal they'd have said it never would be as well, but it did. Nothing would surprise me as this society digs itself further into the gutter.

sounds like you are contradicting yourself to me....

ahh, so now the bible and the fundemental values of western society is written by knucle draggers? Thou shall not steal, thou shall not murder, thou shall only apply the bits that suit me??? I hope you wont be celebrating Christmas or buying any easter eggs, we wouldn't want you celebrating the festivals of knuckle dragger now would we.

Surely the same applies to yourself. Who are you to critise me based on your live and let live ethics? Or is that live and let live as long as they agree with the mainstream view?

Why are you incapable of reading posts properly without spinning them to suit your agenda?? You were the one who started going on about breaking the law. I simply pointed out that 50 years ago it was illegal to be gay in the country and still is in some lands. 70 years ago it was unthinkable for homosexuality to be legal in Britain, what is to say the same wont be the case for paedophillia in 70 years time? Hardly "desperate" to link the two. You asked me to prove the traditional family set up is better. There are currently few studies against same sex parenting because it is a relatively new fashion, although i am sure if any futures studies were negative then they would be spun to look positive as saying anything remotely anti gay makes you homophobic doesn't it. My link proves the government have researched the values of a traditional family set up and proven that this is the best for a child against alternatives, i dont see why adding researching same sex parenting would result in any other conclusion.