Saint Charlie

It's had some good use..Neil McCann, Paul Wotton...Guly very deserving compared to them!

These deals are bound to be complicated. I'm sure Saints will get it sorted.

Different type of players so hope we are.

Italian reporter says the Bologna Chairman just wants more money but Ramirez has basically left. Just a shame it's all in the open, as NA says it is actually better behind closed doors.

Ties in with reports he has already been given it.

New CB could be 3.

Feel a bit for Cork being ditched from no 8.

They re resigned to losing him and have given us permission to speak to him while we talks terms with them.

Sure Cortese will thrash it out and get it done.

Bizarre thread IMO. WUM.

Okay...spend 4m on Buttner, then by Xmas Shaw has overtaken him. Does this make sense to you? He is competing with Fox and if good enough will play. Clearly top teams are very keen on him and he looked comfortable in pre season - no point splashing out on Buttner only for Shaw to be the first choice ahead of him in 6 months.

This (hopefully)

To buy Ramirez we pay 70% to Bologna and 30% of the fee to Penarol. Confirmed by various Italian journalists.

Think thats just a poor translation and means that we are paying Bolgna 70% and Penarol 30% of the fee to own him overall.

Signing a third would have blocked his path. How you we want 50% of players to come through the academy and then block someone like Shaw he would just leave and go to Arsenal or Chelsea.

Hope this deal but gets sorted out. Imagine how embarassing it would be if it doesn't happen...and Saints havent given any confirmation yet. Having seen the above I think this one might have a bit more time to run.

Hopefully because of our interest, makes sense - we know his agent was keen to talk to us!

Don't get this. The other players should want to play in a team that is improving. All their wages would go down if they are relegated in any case. The players just need to do their job on the pitch and they wll get a new contract if they deserve one. I think our players probably earn very good salaries releative to some of their abilities.

Cork would compete for a starting spot though so good to get him back ASAP.

FFS he is a fraud. Poor scouting network.

Possibly - but I thought NA comments about Ramirez speaking to the Italian press were slightly bizarre. Almost like the amounts of money had been exagerated.

Im confused where we are with this now. Perhaps we havent totally agreed with Bologna but pretty much have with Ramirez.

From what he said so you think he is expecting it tied up soon?

Summary?

Haha Holloway. Seems like this perhaps isnt as close as was suggested though.