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So it's on RM and the coaches then.

So poor coaching then.

You make it sound like we weathered the storm to become the better side and then conceded to a mistake when actually Forest had all the shots/chances in the whole of the second half. Better to be realistic rather than to dress it up into something it wasn't.

Sounds like it was either poor coaching or players not understanding the coaching or players not good enough to implement the coaching - or a combination of all three. Whatever the truth it simply wasn't good enough.

So, no actual attacking there then. Just a lot of pointless possession that eventually fizzles out.

Does this mean we are going to actually do some attacking?

You may be right but this seems a pointless signing if it happens - don't we have Archer who could play across the front line? What we are in desperate need of, and it's been an ongoing dereliction of duty from our owners, is a powerful goal-scoring centre forward with pace who can put the fear of God up opposition defences.

Have seen zero similarity between us and how Brighton play their high energy, fast brand of attacking football. If only we could muster 20% of their verve and swagger!

Nail hit firmly on the head. If RM chooses his own stubborn way he runs a high risk of being the architect of his own downfall. He simply must adapt his tactics but my fear is that he's not going to budge from his hard held beliefs - noble but foolish in my book.

Agree although the long term injury concerns me after our experience with Ross Stewart - we can't afford to risk a repeat of that fiasco.

Enjoyed watching this so many thanks for sharing.

No thanks, he'd slow us down even more and provide less athleticism.

He won't be.

I see Cardiff are bottom of the Championship having been hammered 5-0 by Burnley and getting a 1-1 draw at Swansea. Play a reasonably strong line-up and we should expect to win this.

Wouldn't mind us trying to get Jens Petter Hauge who is a very good left sided Norwegian striker. Would probably be complicated though as he is registered with Eintracht Frankfurt and currently on loan to K Bodo/Glimt who have an option to buy. He's 24 and has bags of skill and scores goals and makes assists. If we played him on the left of a three up front BBD could move to centre forward.

This is spot on - if you want to play RM's possession game you need players who are good enough to do it quickly and adept enough to make clever passes (they are too expensive for us)or it serves no purpose. RM likes to believe we play some kind of brave game but we don't - we just play sideways and backward passes until we lose the ball. Also, he continually broadcasts that we won't change so teams like Forest know they can set up to press us high and we aren't good enough to play through them nor will we hit long balls to bypass their press so basically we're stuffed.

As you played semi-pro level you must realise we are competing at a much higher level so last season doesn't mean much - also just because you played at that level has no bearing on whether you understand the game more than I do and it's a little arrogant to think you do. Learning RM's way I believe is not going to happen because we don't have players of a high enough skill set so we'll likely get relegated trying and then be back to square one next season with a different set of players trying to learn the system - we're in a Catch 22 situation. The next few matches will be interesting.

The system is shite making most of the players look shite including Smallbone. I have major doubts about him at this level but the way RM sets up and expects us to play is suicidal.

THB and Bednarek are a good pair and generally play well together. It seems to me when Stephens is added it results in THB looking poor. Let's get back to a defensive four with Stephens on the bench apart from games against the top sides.

I don't believe it is about adjusting expectations - most of us are realistic and accept we will be towards the bottom of the table. Only losing 1-0 against ten men and Forest is far from pretty good in my opinion especially the manner of yesterday's performance. In summary we don't expect to be above mid-table but we do expect to watch a well-coached side with a decent tactical plan that competes and gives us the chance of some victories - at the moment we are not seeing that and I get that it's only two games in but we all know RM will not change anything because he's continually told us that.

A damning statistic and further proof that the system is totally unsuited to the Premier League.

Easy, a coach and a striker. The coach wouldn't insist McCarthy gets involved in tippy tappy football and he's a reasonable shot-stopper as he showed yesterday.

I'm convinced the squad we have with the addition of a decent striker and maybe a creative midfielder would be good enough - the biggest problem we have is RM's insistence on playing his way which won't ever work in the Premier League unless he is given a war chest of circa £400 million.

RM has continually repeated the mantra that he will never change the system he believes in so it'll not happen until he is sacked - which may well be sooner rather than later and he'll have brought it on himself if and when it transpires.

A tad harsh on Armstrong who was totally let down by RM's poor tactical set up yesterday - playing your two strikers wide on the flanks was a hopeless ploy that didn't work from the first minute. Judge Armstrong in a set up that gives him something to feed off which certainly wasn't the case against Forest.