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I watched an interview with the head of the Confederation of Small Business at the Tory shindig this week. I was gobsmacked when he said that large employers were using the recession as an excuse to shed workers and make the remainder work harder, just to boost profits by playing on fear. I'm very grateful to be insulated (at the moment) from that but as in any business, if I was sh it at my job and failed to deliver, then my job would be at risk.

But you are free to negotiate your own are you not? If you are good at your job you can secure yourself inflation busting pay rises year on year, and many have. My rise this year was 1%. Next it is 1%. My results are fantastic and I'm considered outstanding by OFSTED but can I go and secure a rise? No. I crack on without complaint as the career is one I chose knowing the ups and downs of it. Just because times are now tough, those who reaped the rewards of the private sector are whinging. Well, tough tits. You made your choices and we made ours. Those in the private sector had the same choices so instead of whinging about what they haven't got maybe they should look at their themselves and ask why they chose their career.

TBH I belive that it should be a cross party issue as it's such a big issue that it should transcend party politics.

Tut, tut. So you are judging previous pay rises by todays inflation rate? Shall we judge all pay rises that way? You do yourself no favours saying teachers have it cushy. It shows a level of ignornace that I hoped you were above.

Pretty sure there is only one loon on this forum, and it's not you. It's the mentally ill troll.

That is very, very true.

Good god, it's like talking to my 7 year old.

That is, IMHO, the crux of the problem, along with way, way, way too many middle managers who are not involved at the delivery end.

Lets start with inheritance tax shall we.

Are you being "Delldays" on purpose today Mr Bognor? As I said, the big increases, deserved I feel, were between '97 - '02. Since then they've been pretty static at around 2% - 2.5%. In addition, to get the scale that you have quoted will mean teaching experience of around 7 years. I could also say, if I felt inclinced, that it shows how the previous Tory government placed little value of teachers etc and the incoming Labour government corrected that. Those at the chalkface, in the main, earn their corn. It's the layers, upon layers, of pointless positions and beaurocracy away from the chalkface that sucks up and wastes too much money. The same is true of the NHS and MoD.

FFS. Do some research.

Now I'm quite sure you missed the point on purpose. You know very well that he was saying that you shouldn't judge someones standing by the money they generate but by what they contribute to society in general. Who should have the respect? An inner city primary school teacher, dealing with a multitude of issues but doing the very best for the kids or a trader in the city? We all make our choices in life but I do feel quite sorry for those who can only judge success in life in terms of £, $ or €.

Not at all, I'm saying that they haven't had big pay rises, on par with the early years of of the Labour government. From around 2002 it's been around 2% - 2.5%.

As you are never ever, ever, ever wrong, not ever, I'll believe you. I'm sure it all comes from "Someone in the club who I see socially every few weeks".

I'm merely suggesting that pompey fans shouldn't get too far ahead of themselves regarding spending the arabs money. Although it was hilarious the last time they did (I exclude you from that).

He went through the same F&P as Doc when Storrie attempted a coup, and lost. The rules changed after that. He has not had top provide evidence of wealth.

Your new owner went through the same F&P as "Doc". The changes happened afterwards. Therefore, he hasn't had to prove his worth.

As they did with "The Doc". He also passed the F&P, before the new regs kicked in. Next.

From 97 - 02 teachers in the state sector did get big rises. Since then, no they haven't. As a teacher, albeit in a college and no longer schools, teachers have fu ck all to whinge about when it comes to salary.

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Those figures also have something to do with Private Schools not entering students for public exams if they don't think they will pass.

Eveyone knows that it needs to be cut back and that there is too much waste so I just hope, whoever, is in power, targets those cuts away from the frontline services. It's layers of management that needs stripping away, that's where the real waste is.

I do indeed teach, maths, in a college, community and adult education setting. I also run my own successful buisness. I rock. Now, get back to bugger flipping you minion you've profit to generate for your masters.

Yeah, right. Muppet.

Sorry, am I defending the current administration? No. I'm pointing out that HM Opposition were even more clueless, and that is saying something, especially as they hope to form the next administration!