hypochondriac

It is to some if they literally cannot afford to just bung spare change into a bucket.

We're going to have to agree to disagree with this one. The existence of the club was not at stake. Th existence of the club did not hinge on whether people turned up to things like saints Aid or not. It just didn't.

I think FF is in a very small minority with this one.

Wow I really didn't think there were people who thought Strachan was a bad manager. I'm surprised TBH.

I remember that many players loved Jan the man.

It means he looks!

Really not the same.

Yep that's what I just said. People weren't sure A) Who they were helping B) What they were helping and C) If it would make any difference.

I think fans realised that money was really tight at the moment and they were wondering how their money would actually make a difference. There were loads of posts on here asking exactly how much money was needed to be raised and how big the debt was and nobody knew. There was some scheme whereby money was going to be set aside for when it was needed and another where money was going to go directly into the club. I have very little idea what saints aid was raising money for or how much was needed. I think that was a huge problem and may explain one of the reasons for a small attendance.

There are many reasons why people choose not to attend. In all honesty I considered not going a few times this season and I'm not sure I would have done had I already bought a season ticket at the start. In fact, if things had stayed as they were last season except we had got relegated with Lowe and Wilde still there, I think I wouldn't have got a season ticket either. Does that make me less of a fan? Maybe, but then I only have a certain amount of finance and my patience was running thin watching rubbish and the money would perhaps have been better spent elsewhere. Maybe some people have less patience than you or I?

Either someone was going to buy us or they weren't. People criticise fans for just sitting around hoping someone saved us but that is precisely what we needed. Things had gone so far that we NEEDED someone to save us or we were gone. I have already said I applaud the efforts of people trying to get people down for the last few games of the season. I also have no problem with people organising non football related activities but you have suggested that someone is somehow less of a fan if they choose not to go. Nick has gone as far as to suggest that the fans should take a significant portion of the blame if saints cease to exist. On both of these counts I srongly disagree and I'm a bit insulted that people are suggesting it.

The9 would at this point draw parallels between this and the "fans" at SFC

My sister used to be in Pantomimes with him quite a few years ago. Sad times.

I'm not criticising any method, I'm just suggesting that many of the methods were misguided in their belief that they were saving the saints. If people want to organise things then go ahead, but don't criticise and blame the fans if people don't support it.

Right firstly I am almost certain that many of the people who came to see ManU were not saints fans. Secondly EVERY SINGLE CLUB gets a significant drop in attendance if they get a prolonged time in the lower tier. It's a fact. Add to that the Lowe factor, the complete dross we have had to endure on the pitch for a number of season and you know all the other reasons FFS. 24 quid to watch that last season was a total joke. People point to Norwich but they have a board who listen to their fans and who price their tickets accordingly. The easy option is to blame the fans but it is just wrong. Not attending saints aid does not mean a supporter does not care, and that fact does not change just because you helped to organise it. Maybe some people believe that it was not as an important and significant even as you would have liked.

Well the low attendance as made little difference in the scheme of things so I suppose that's good.

Quite simply I disagree and it is an insult to the fans to say that. It's this attitude that I fundamentally disagree with. What other club has had to deal with what we have over the past five years? I think I'm going to organise a sponsored march, all proceeds to SFC. I'm going to advertise it a week before and if only a few people turn up I'm going to turn on the fans and suggest that it is their fault when SFC goes under. It doesn't work like that.

Which is what annoys me so much. It's all very good people organising all manner of things but then they can't expect everyone just to turn up just because they say they are doing their bit and that it is definitely going to save the club. I've gone above and beyond IMO last season and many others have too. To make sarcastic comments and suggest that the fans don't care is below the belt. When we get fantastic turn outs at games and when I see the people at Forest away I know how much people care.

People will go because of the local bands and venues bit. The reason people will not have gone is because either they weren't interested in the bands available or they didn't believe any extra finance they had would ultimately save the club and that has proven to be the case.

BTW great win for Federer today. Showed real heart to come through.

Nothing against Murray I just prefer Fed when he is on top form (granted he needs a coach because he has lost his way this past year.) and I prefer Federer's attitude.

I actually attended. If people wanted to go for that reason then fair enough. If they were going because they thought they were going to save the club then they were wrong.

We were right though

So you did. Apologies. My friend must have logged in and read it.

Stu are you doing this?