hypochondriac

I don't see us selling him in January. He will go in the summer.

It's a standard that absolutely no other country would be adhering to if it happened to them.

Its been interminable.

Well we don't really know do we but it certainly would have put the pressure on the IDF and I expect the neutrals would have been a heck of a lot more supportive of a ceasefire much earlier had it happened. Clearly the lions share of the responsibility for there not being a ceasefire sooner lies with the terrorists. What would an effective response have been that put the hostages first in your mind?

I wonder if Hamas had just released the hostages a few weeks ago, if this ceasefire that certain people have been out on the streets calling for could have happened a heck of a lot sooner.

I was also 20th November which means that I too am potentially soggy. Although that seems unlikely given that it's exhausting and time consuming enough being an insufferable prick on just the one account. There's no way I'd be able to craft 500 word essays with such pomposity on a second one.

If the runaway effects of global warming happen as predicted then they are going to happen anyway whether we in the UK do anything or not. Non western countries are making grand statements and then laughing at us as they largely carry on and let us make our lives worse and they strive for every competitive advantage they can get. Privately China will be rubbing their hands with glee when they see the path we are taking. Nothing wrong with some investment in renewables or looking to gain a competitive advantage in new technologies. That isn't just what we are doing though is it. Clearly.

Worth bookmarking this thread, the Ched Evans one and the terrorist one for when posters inexperienced with the history try to understand why soggy provokes the reactions he does. He really is a nasty piece of work.

It appears that even those highly critical of the Israelis are recoiling in horror at the content of his latest posts.

I assume you now accept then that China are essentially doing nothing and that really negates anything we decide to do? We are all poorer and more miserable for a number of reasons but net zero is certainly contributing. Our energy bills are horrendously high and will only get worse as we outsource our energy need and import loads of it from abroad, we will soon be mandating costly heat pumps in houses that are inefficient and incredibly expensive, anti car measures continue to be brought in by councils which are at best an irritant and at worse dangerous (look at the ridiculous 20mph limits around Shirley and Hill Lane as just one example that has recently been criticised by councillors.) Or ULEZ expansion which hits the hardest on the poorest in society who can least afford it. I predict in a few years there will be restrictions on flights abroad and possibly on the amount of cars. Non electric is being banned anyway and the infrastructure is just not there to cope with electricity demand so there's a very real risk in the future of blackouts or power cuts as we try to rely on renewables when the wind doesn't blow and the sun isn't shining. Oh and you may laugh but M&S have transitioned to all paper bags which had the unfortunate effect of the bags now being inadequate for their purpose. Same with my daughters Capri Sun which now comes with a paper straw that cannot pierce the plastic. Those last two absolutely tiny annoyances of course and largely don't matter. All added together though with possibly some other impositions on our lives chasing the impossible net zero that I have forgotten, they add up to something rather more substantial. No doubt this makes us poorer and more unhappy as a nation.

China is opening loads more coal powered power stations at a rate faster than any other country in the world. You're right that's not doing nothing, it's doing the opposite. "leading the way" by making everyone in the UK poorer, more miserable, less prosperous and their lives harder all in the name of combating something they have zero control over abd which will make no difference to the outcome. I'd laugh baiut it except its serious because it's having a detrimental impact on my family's life.

Even if we were to agree with the idea that in the confusion and the general horror that Israeli forces killed some of their own people, how do you jump from that to saying they had no problem with firing on their own people? I'm sure they wrre doing their best to kill the enemy in appaling circumstances but you're making out like the IDF took it as a good opportunity to slay some of their own. The reality is soggy is just desperate to minimise the actions of Hamas on that day and by equating the actions on that same day he's trying to remove some responsibility from Hamas. Let's be very clear - Hamas is responsible for the death that occurred in Israel on that day. Some Israeli forces may have accidentally killed some of their own people but it was the actions of Hamas that caused the to do so. We all know why you are trying to downplay it. I now await the obligatory one sentence "condemnation" of Hamas followed by a 500 word essay on the evils of the Jews and links to Jewish conspiracy sites. But you're not antisemitic.

Absolutely and that's coming from you who I'm sure you would agree is not pro Israel.

Your info is out of date. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/29/china-coal-plants-climate-goals-carbon https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-22/india-plans-to-keep-adding-coal-power-capacity-as-demand-surges https://www.power-technology.com/news/india-increases-coal-power-output-as-dry-hot-weather-continues/?cf-view

The thing is though, China and India are doing nothing about their emissions and it's a virtually impossible task to make them which makes it basically irrelevant what we do. I can have no meaningful effect on the planet so it's not worth working myself up about just like I won't be worrying about the prospect of being nuked- nothing I can do to change it. I just wish politicians wouldn't be working to actively make the average brit colder, poorer and more uncomfortable. Possibly for the first time in 150 years quality of life is going down because of this stupidity.

The canary and skwawkbox have to be in there somewhere along with Novara media.

Indeed I would have thought that was obvious but not to him. See how he writes hundreds of words and devotes about three of them referring to the actions of Hamas and even then it's some cursory condemnation designed to allow him to get back to the Jewish conspiracy theories as quickly as possible. Little Owen Jones does exactly the same as far as I can see. Soggy should love him given that he's gay and loves the guardian.

He's no irreplaceable and we do have quite a lot of options on the wing. I'd certainly like to see Amo Ameyew get more of a chance.

I'm not sure why Hamas have such a bad reputation. I mean they did take their hostages to a hospital so they aren't all bad. The ones they didn't rape and murder anyway.

" If you are one of the hostages you have probably got more chance now of being killed by the IDF than Hamas." Thank goodness those Hamas fellows took these people under their wing to keep them safe from the IDF. Held hostage for their own protection!

Who woild have thought a thread on Israel would have given me such a laugh on a Sunday night. Some absolute gold on here lads. Thanks for that.

I thought you had me on ignore? You mentioned it multiple times for over a year yet you keep looking at what I've posted. Bizarre behaviour.

Good point. Mods could we have the wanking emoji back please?

I watched us play in Milan and Prague and get extremely close to winning a meaningful cup. It's absolutely worth it.