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It would have to be upgrades in about 7 or 8 positions.

You can just imagine a future where we get promoted and our performances are like that every week. Solid performances where we look good for large parts of the game before folding to the teams with better quality. You'll then have Martin coming out saying how proud he is of the team every week as we have great looking stats but hardly any points.

Just pointing out the obvious. Still some dinlos last week saying he shouldn't have started in the absence of Downes though...

He's not wrong. We will play out from the back and will most likely see what next year will be like should we get promoted.

If by a miracle we won it would be look at poor hard done by klopp being forced to play the kids due to the fixture schedule. The powers that be don't want them to win the quadruple.

Is that our weakest starting 11 of the season? I think so.

I'm left footed ffs the fans will murder me when I keep cutting inside.

Interesting. Are you aware of the rate of far right terror attacks carried out in the UK in say the last ten years? Are you aware of the rate of Islamist terror attacks? If one of these was substantially higher than the other do you think that whilst both would represent a problem that one would represent a greater threat than the other?

I didn't cast aspersions on people for "mentioning both sides of the debate in the same breath" you've either misunderstood or misquoted what I wrote. Go back and read it again.

At no point during this exchange have I called any of your opinions idiotic. I regularly take jabs at soggy but that's not exactly an example of the average poster.

And the response to that from some on here would be that if Israeli "oppression" hadn't happened prior to 7/10 then it wouldn't have happened. Then they get mad when someone points out that that's justifying a terror attack.

It's not nonsense at all it's all over social media. One mealy mouthed word about 7/10 being wrong and then reams of stuff about Israel often devoid of context and clearly with an agenda. That isn't talking about both sides like you claim. Also a shame you continue to prove you can't disagree over a topic without resorting to insults.

Thanks for the considered answer. So is it ever justified in a war to take actions that may result in civilian casualties or deaths? Because imo the nature of war makes both of those impossible to avoid. You can argue about the proportionality of Israel's response of course, but it's not a black or white issue and obviously mistakes and tragedies occur during the fog of war too. I do wonder if some people would feel a greater level or sympathy for Israel if Hamas had been similarly armed and one of their main objections is that Hamas don't have the same level of firepower with which to retaliate.

Fact is that awful things happen during a war which is what the Israelis view this as. I happen to think they have gone to far in some instances but at the same time I am not an Israeli and I can absolutely see why they are doing what they are doing. I also honestly believe that the outcome would be very different with intense pressure from Israel's allies to desist if the terrorist scum had given themselves up already, stopped hiding in civilian populations and handed back the hostages. Like I said already though, Hamas have no interest in doing any of those things so I can absolutely understand why they would want to destroy then as an organisation or at the very least cripple them and their capabilities for a generation.

Was there justification for n for bombing German cities during WW2?

How you phrase it suggests that it's your belief that Israelis have a share of the responsibility for the raping and murderings on 7/10. You may not believe that but that's certainly how it comes across.

Of course they can it's just that when a word of condemnation is followed immediately by paragraphs talking about the other side, it's clear for some that they don't actually care about the side they condemned originally at all, they just know it looks bad if they don't mention it.

Indeed. There were always going to fight back how they did, this sort of response from the IRA was inevitable. They were put in this situation by the British.

That's basically my position too. It's like when owen Jones writes ten pages with a qualifier at the start about how 7/10 was bad so he can use that to then write pages about Israel. It's transparently obvious what is going on.

I wasn't using my language. Clearly.

I just find it interesting that certain posters will go out of their way to deny that there is any sort of problem with Islamists in the UK and then post an article which says the exact opposite to try to dunk on the "Islamophobes".

You know that in private he thinks that the Jews were asking for it. A few posters on here have come very close to saying just that but can't bring themselves to answer a straight question publically. That's why they'll allude to Hamas not starting it without going all the way and saying unequivocally that they think the Jews brought it on themselves and that they should have expected a bit of a reaction from Hamas. Aintforever has come the closest yet, I wonder who will be the bravest and actually answer some straight questions.

Shane we got Liverpool really. If we had avoided one of the big guns, we would have had a good chance of making the semis or final given how many have gone out.

I'm waiting for a guardian article telling me about the 2017 terror incident of the old zionist who farted in the direction of a goyim. I can't wait to have egg on my face when I hear about all those dangerous Jew mass shootings and bombings on the district and circle line.