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Just keep the license fee until Sir David expires in a year or two most likely and then bin the whole thing.

My point is that a self described fascist is almost certain to be far left just as a self described Marxist would be.

Although if Nigel Farage described himself as a fascist it would be pretty clear that he was far right.

Some agreement at last.

That's actually a really good idea. I hope he does.

It's not easy as I'm sure you can imagine.

100% agree. Kick it out in its current form have my absolute support.

No its more about opinions being dismissed because of the perceived skin colour of the individuals saying it. I don't like racism however it manifests and that's one clear example. Also ignoring dissenting voices from black people as well as if their voices don't matter or are less important. Unfortunately it's very hateful to dismiss opinions of organisations with dodgy views because you think the person holding that view has white skin. The only think I'm offended by is being judged by my perceived skin colour.

A snippet? It's all over their official blue checked twitter comments, it's prominently displayed on their website under "What we believe", a gofundme page that has raised millions describes some of these aims, BLM UK gave us their views on Palestine and Israel earlier this week, one of their founders is a self-described Marxist, many of the slogans are prominently displayed at marches. It's a bit more of a snippet and it's not like you need to hunt very far for it.

I don't think footballers should be forced to wear the poppy on their shirt if they don't want to and whilst I disagree with people who don't wear it, I absolutely oppose anyone receiving abuse for not doing so.

No you've sneeringly made assumptions about those with differing views that they are old, insecure and white and you've now added limited worldview and privileged to the list which is why i described you as hateful. I would suggest it is you who does not fully understand this movement considering your total lack of refutation to the very valid points already made about the organisations website, its social media and now black ex professionals expressing their opposition. The forum is for discussing saints and football and taking the knee, black lives matter and what it stands for is currently a major topic and talking point within football thus it's highly relevant and not weird to discuss it in the slightest. You're a race-baiter because you've tried to dismiss opposing views by using what you assume to be someone's skin colour in a derogatory manner against them. Rather like Karl Henry, I support a non politically partisan organisation separate from this group that seeks to find commonalities between racial groups rather than dividing people down racial lines. Luckily I have only had the misfortune of meeting a small group of individuals like you in real life with racist views (they are most commonly found on social media platforms like twitter which I rarely use) and so thankfully I have little reason to get annoyed by provocative opinions like yours.

You thought that having even one thread about it was "a bit weird" (it's not weird in the slightest, footballers are currently kneeling and wearing black lives matter on their shirts so it's entirely relevant at the moment.) You've dismissed any opposition as "old insecure white blokes" who write "racist bullshit". That's pretty much the definition of hateful.

My point is that MLTs tweets on climate change or religion have very little do with what the original poster was talking about which is about MLTs and others opposition to the black lives matter movement for the reasons already outlined. You've got a clear problem with what he posts on social media you've made that very plain.

Not in the slightest. I read the linked article from the original poster which contained the relevant tweets from his social media. Anything else he may or may not have posted isn't really relevant for this particular discussion. I'm not sure why you feel you're forced to wade through it all in order to talk about this issue.

Why would me not following MLT on twitter and applauding him for his stance over a Marxist organisation make me angry? What a bizarre thing to say.

No. Why would I? Particularly if it gets you so angry. On this issue he's clearly taken a brave stand and I applaud him for that.

I haven't waded through anything. It's not a requirement to go through all of his social media or even agree with most of it in order to discuss this particular issue.

Sadly for race baiters full of hatred for other races like yourself, you don't get to control what is and isn't talked about. Black lives matter is currently very relevant to football at the moment and this will be talked about. Our best ever modern day player has raised valid concerns on social media and that's also worth discussing.

Hold on I thought everyone all had the same opinion and there wasn't any sort of pressure to conform or punishment for going against the grain?

TBF it is related to the forcible suppression of opposition which is quite similar. I do agree though we shouldn't really use serious words like fascist too freely because as you rightly point out it devalues the word.

Here's a demonstration of the tolerance, empathy and kindness of Black Lives Matter supporters on full display here. Marvel at it all those with a different opinion.

well well well now isn't that interesting.

I was told that Ralph offered his resignation and it was turned down. Then shortly after that there was the pivotal meeting with everyone where the club hierarchy publically said that they were staying with Ralph and would back him over the players. Semmens is an impressive figure and made the right call.

If jermaine jenas does it is that still racism? Or is it only white commentators who have to talk about how big brained obafemi and mane are. To be fair I'm quite happy for commentators to point out how derpy Luke Shaw is and he's white as hell.