CHAPEL END CHARLIE

Perhaps they do. But I can only hope that the vast majority of people are sufficiently worldly wise to understand that people have been known to change their minds before and that sometimes change is a necessary aspect of life. Adam has moved on - do try not to take it personally my fellow Saints fans because I pretty damn sure that was not his intention.

Mate I have a healthy ego, but even a old big head such as I would hesitate to claim that I speak for 32.000 Saints fans.

Well if you are in a position to know all the ins and outs of the Lallana transfer then please enlightened the forum and provide your sources. In the meantime I don't jump on bandwagons and I seldom accuse people of stuff that is not proven.

I don't know - do you? What I do know is that Adam came here at the tender age of 12 and devoted the next 14 years of his young life to the service of this club. To my way of thinking all those years of brillent football matter a hell of a lot more than any he said/she said stuff that might have gone on during the final weeks before he left for Liverpool.

Lots of 'odd' stuff went on last summer and I doubt anyone not privy to what went on behind closed doors will ever know the full facts of the matter.

Well I'm interested in our players, but what they do in bed is their business

What are theses 'well laid out' points then? 1> Adam promised to stay. If you watch the award ceremony interview you will see that he says he will always love the club and that he hopes both he and the club can keep on progressing. All I can say is that if that amounts to a hanging offence on here now then that's a pretty sorry state of affairs. 2> Reassuring Club officials he hadn't spoken to Liverpool and was open to staying'. I see no evidence at all offered here as to this 'reassurance' claim or indeed when contact was first made with Liverpool. 3> Badge kissing Oh come on. 4> Alleged 'Poor attitude' from suspiciously unnamed source Well as he had just been voted our player of the season perhaps all players should do the same then. 5> Mark Clattenburg I suppose I could care less what this appalling excuse for a ref says ... but I'd have to try hard. 6> World Cup comments Methinks we are 'scraping the bottom of the barrel' here aren't we?

Shouldn't you be in bed sonny, or is your dad letting you stay up late?

No I was wrong - you really are a comedian because here we are 11 games into Dusan's first season here and that is enough apparently to prove he is a better player than Adam who has spent his entire adult life here ... oh and has this evening played very well again for his country. Go away and give your brain a rest.

So we given up then have we on this claim that he promised to stay here just before leaving - 2013 hardly counts does it - and the basis of this sudden dislike of Adam Lallana is not because of anything he did or did not do for this club on the pitch - you know the job he was paid to do - but rather something he is reported to have said in a interview at his new club. The mentally of the average football is a remarkable thing - all those years of outstanding service count as nothing now because he dared to say he fancied a move to another club. Jesus wept ...

Bloody hell man! It's a good thing our courts don't accept 'everybody knows' type evidence in criminal cases or else the justice system would be in a hell of a mess. 'Just the facts' as they used to say in Dragnet.

I should avoid attempts at humour if I was you because you're really not very good at it, and what you choose to depict as 'slavish devotion' I regard as a respect for the truth and a recognition of a fine players contribution to the club. Not considerations that seem to much bother you. But here we are over 1900 views on this thread now and not one piece of actual proof provided by his many accusers as to Lallana's supposed guilt. So long on accusation and short on facts as we obviously are then, you too are cordially invited to provide any proof what-so-ever that Adam promised to stay here forever milliseconds before leaving for Liverpool. I await your reply with interest.

Your first sentence contains one incorrect guess and the rest of the post doesn't get much better.

Not only could I say the same about Morgan, I will be saying the same about Morgan when he too leaves. Another fine young player who has given this club all that any reasonable fan could ask for and will leave (when the times comes) with my best wishes. Players come and players go - I have learnt to except this facet of the game without the level of bitterness and rancour that it seems to provoke with some on here. Some of you lot really need to 'move on'. As for your implication that you (and others like you) speak for this club's entire fanbase re your view of Adam I can only reply that you most certainly don't speak for me.

The fact that you are looking forward to 'booing' a player who has given well nigh half his career to this club, a player who not only proved influential in all our recent successful promotion champaign's but has also (almost certainly) turned down numerous attractive offers from better placed clubs in the past speaks volumes about you both as a fan and a Human Being. I on the other hand choose to remember Adam as a exceptional young prospect who I had the immense privilege to watch grow into the exceptional player he is today. A player who manifestly gave his all for this club for season after season and for much of that time proved to be the best player on the pitch by a country mile. You on the other hand can ... well I think the modern expression 'go do one' just about covers it.

Time will tell if his replacement proves to be a better player and it is apparent that plenty on here are now criticising Lallana's ability (and fitness!) I see. As no one seems willing or able to provide any evidence that 'days' before he left SFC Adam publicly committed his long term future to this club then I'm taking that to be a load of old pony. As for Adams subsequent behaviour this too seems unremarkable. When any player joins a new club what exactly do you expect him to say - is it perhaps something along the lines of "well it's OK coming here I suppose, but my heart will always be at my last club"? It seems to me that being 'happy to end your career here' (if that is what he said in context) does not amount to a promise to stay here forever but rather a statement of the simple truth - IE he was both happy here and would have willingly been prepared to stay. However he may well also have seen the need to secure the future of both himself and his young family by seeking more money elsewhere. This is actually the way of the world is it not? Now you might choose to depict what has occurred as a insult by a duplicitous and greedy young player who cares not a jot for this club and its fans. To my way of thinking however what Adam did (although regrettable) seems a not unreasonable course to adopt in a profession where you are very well paid but your career is both short and could be ended at any moment by a serious injury.

I'm more interested in the facts of the matter rather than more opinion. So again - what is Adam supposed to have actually said that is the basis for all this?

If you want to accuse someone of duplicity then it seems to me that it is incumbent on you to provide some actual evidence to back this serious accusation. What exactly did Adam say and when did he say it?

If I may interrupt the forum's ongoing schadenfreude fix for just a moment. It seems to me that there might be a slight whiff of hypocrisy in the air here - or have none of you lot never left one employer for another because you too felt that the grass might be greener elsewhere? I have long considered Adam Lallana to be a fine young man and an exceptional footballer and although I'm disappointed he left us I see no good reason to change that opinion now. That is all.

Not really my cup of tea, but the only old Renault that would interest me at all would be a first generation Clio Williams - the better examples of which are now making strong money I see.

This story should appeal to any sci-fi fan: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/amazon-seeks-uk-employees-for-prime-air-uav-parcel-delivery-406030/ Yes internet retailing giant Amazon.com are (it would seem) still seriously planning to deliver parcels via a UAV (Unmanned Air Vehicle) one day. For the life of me I can't see this bizarre idea working, indeed it sounds to me like a 'April Fool' story that has come 6 months early. However I'm notoriously bad at predicting future trends so maybe we will see vast swarms of Amazon UAV's overhead one day delivering our every desire straight to the door - or do I mean roof?

Although I've seen it a few times before I've just watched again the 1971 Clint Eastwood film 'The Beguiled'. Set in the deep south during the US Civil War Eastwood plays a wounded Union soldier who is taken in by the (exclusively female) inhabitants of a remote Louisiana boarding school. A predator surround by repressed and sexually frustrated women (and girls) Eastwood plays here what is perhaps one of the most utterly unsympathetic characters he would ever portray - a brave choice perhaps for what they used to call a 'leading man' attempting to build a film career. I cannot claim that this is a great (or even a very good) film, but its off-beat oddness almost makes it worth watching - let's face it very few mainstream Hollywood films of this era would dare to deal with the themes of repression, incest, and paedophilia all on display here.

Party leaders always come under intense scrutiny in this country - especial Labour leaders from what is a largely hostile press. Some have what it takes to repulse these attacks, 'teflon' Tony Blair for instance, and some just don't. The current Labour leader may well fall into the latter category - or at least that is the narrative the voters seem to have been successfully sold. I can't help but think that his brother would have made a better leader but - FWIW - I don't personally 'buy' the story that Ed Miliband is anywhere near as a poor a politician as he has been portrayed as. This of course is of no importance. Despite Ed Milliband's unpopularity, the polls are showing a consistent Labour lead which must make them favourites to win next year I suppose. My (very unscientific) opinion however is that the British people tend to only vote standing Prime Ministers out of office when they are either bored to death with them, or they have seriously ferked-up. Additionally the Labour Party has I feel failed to provide a convincing reason why this nation should trust them again with our economy - surely the principle battleground of any UK General Election. So I wouldn't be the least surprised to see the Tory's overturn the Labour lead and win in 2015 - or a least become the largest party at Westminster again. As for the Liberal Democrats ... well methinks they should return to their constituencies and prepare for unemployment.

I'm thinking that FIFA is a organisation that is fundamentally rotten to the core and that Sepp Blatter clings to power like the corrupt dictator of some 'Banana Republic' who fears that should he ever lose power his replacement will have him put up against a wall and shot. Apart from that I feel the game is in good hands ...

I saw the Hunger Games films first and only then read (all three) books - I didn't plan it that way but by chance that might be the best way to do it because when you read a book first the film adaptation of it invariably disappoints ... oh and you are quite right they are genuinely excellent novels and far too good to be restricted to a teenage readership only. Talking of the films I see that part one of 'Mockingjay' is due to be released in a few weeks time - films like this that obviously cannot provide a definite conclusion can often be frustrating things to watch, but I'll be there standing in line with all those teenage girls again looking ever so slightly dodgy - but in a entirely innocent way you understand.