SaintRobbie

Agreed 100%.

I think Forest average 24000 per game. They have support. We do too... but they're not coming. Why? Patience has ended. Now this makes for an important discussion point. I think you are right John - Lowe's plan will take time... alot of time... infact so much time potentially that our grandchildren may see the benefit. How long? Forever? But, I think it has already failed because the supporters have lost patience. And you can never get it back whilst failure continues. And it will. So, I think its time for all of us to admit it wont work as we've all lost patience and its time to revert to running the Club as a football club again and rebuilding the tried and tested way with new strategic leadership. At least we'd start to support and show patience again IMHO. Lowe and the plc way of running this Club has lost the patience of the support(ers).

You still here?

Agreed. In fact I would not be surprised if he rides this one out at home with errrrr.... the flu? It is far too quiet. Time to support Lawrie again.

Doesnt inspire much confidence really. Oh dear. I bet that was written for JP too. Oh doubly dear.

I know... just thought of one... Dyer being put straight back out on loan........... http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=11165

Come on ... what was lawirie's song? Ideal for tomorrow. Shows support for the club, team (a legend afterall) and not Lowe personally. I'd like to hear us sing Lawrie's name ALOT tomorrow.

Can anyone recall what song was sang for Lawrie in the good old Dell days? I think it needs to become tomorrow's chant.

Yep.

Its on Setanta tomorrow I believe. Good point though.

In a word or three...

Oh no. I dont believe it... really? It gets worse doesnt it?

I see you do prefer JP as a manager to Harry? OK...swirlyeyethingy Now, I think the majority of fans disagreed with Harry's disloyalty, concur with Harry that you can't win anything with kids (particularly now the evidence is overwhelming), and unlike you would bite the arm off for a chance to have him back under a new owner IF THE CHOICE WAS HIM OR JP... but it is highly unlikely scenario ... so back to reality.... our Club is failing and falling because of this Dutch youth project that it is on its way to becoming a glorified League1/2 youth production business for the CCC and Premier League in order to keep the plc alive. So, attack the problem at source and you gain a longterm solution. Allow Lowe and the plc to continue and it keeps coming back and back and back to grind you down. It HAS to be stopped. Lawrie Mac realises this - time to follow his lead... starting tomorrow.

A statement of fact...IMHO. Nice one Lawrie!

...and I await your reply, which I believe answers your question in a whole lot of historical and contemporary ways.... Harry Redknapp and a decent owner or Lowe/JP?

Yep. I know what needs fixing old chap. Now let's get on with fixing the problem. You support Lowe all you like Dulldays... you'll never see Billy Davies here now so what's your next irrelevant obsession?

I am saying that you're talking rubbish if you honestly believe the majority of fans thought that establishing a youth team as our 1st team was a good idea.

Would you like Harry and a decent owner right now or JP and Lowe?

You're talking ****e Dulldays and you know you are. Most fans have always been up for the introduction of an element of youth, it's part of their development to learn from the experience of the games and others. One or two youth players are a good idea. Not a bloody team. That's what Harry was proving at Northampton (I seem to recall it was). He played loads of nippas... they failed. Point made to SCW and Lowe by Harry. Sorry mate but you're on cloud cuckoo land if you think most people campaigned for youth on this messageboard or others. I dont recall anything of the sort - other than 'he's doing well give him a chance'.

Surman/Lallana sold.

He didnt - I believe most of us said 'Yeah, you know what? Harry's right.' You cant win anything with kids. ESPECIALLY in this league.... the evidence for this is now overwhelming. Most of us were right.

Chelsea would not allow Jack to make such a call by himself. If I were Chelsea I would put Jack in Watford - Saints are going to be relegated, playing him out of position, are poorly run, low morale ... God can people not see? Why the hell would any team want to destroy the confidence of one of their up and coming players by keeping them at a Club full of League 1/2 quality players when it is going down? Sorry - but I think it may have been Jack's call... but I sense some guidance. Anyway, if it was Jack's call... WHY? WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE TEAM JP/LOWE? WHY DOES THIS NIPPA NOT ENDORSE OUR YOUTH ABILITY IN FAVOUR OF A 'SMALLER' CLUB??????? Damning verdict.

Youth policy has changed into a 1st team policy - that has failed. I wont post much else presently - because LOWE has been, is and will be the failing of this club until he's removed Delldays. As you know more than most - leadership starts at the top, if you'd put a crap Captain in charge of a submarine his boat is crap. In the RN Lowe wouldve been sacked along time ago. The club can never be united whilst he has ANY form of influence. He IS the problem along with the plc that created him. Saying it for years and will continue to until it goes. LOWE HAS TO GO. LAWRIE MAC HAS STAKED HIS REPUTATION ON IT... HE DARES MAKE A STAND... I WANT TO SEE ILLINGWORTH AND OTHERS FOLLOW HIS LEAD AND GET LOWE OUT WHILE HIS VULNERABLE.

After Chelsea moved Cork on to Watford I think the evidence is firmly stacked AGAINST up and coming youngsters from the Clubs that matter coming to Saints under JP and Lowe. Sorry.... we will not see any decent nippas now on loan. Word's out... Saints are poorly managed and poorly run AND GOING DOWN. Lowe's losing touch is working its magic everywhere once more.

Seen! TA! Damning recognition from Chelsea of Lowe's inept youth policy methinks... and JPs management.