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But your point was that we had some violence last week. We'll have it at every major march where some dicks will kick off. It's always the case. Do you agree that Braverman has stirred things up? I'm not getting into a SoG discussion. It's tiresome. There's a big enough discussion to discuss.

Yep, that bench is all the reserves we've got defence and midfield wise.

What's that got to do with today Del? People are protesting, and some dicks are being dicks. What's your point?

As expected, including the nice little addition to the bench.

I've responded to your comments and views honestly (albeit toned down) and accurately Hypo. I can't help your thin skin being penetrated, and nerves being touched. That bit is on you petal.

Why? Because there's too much focus on posters on a bloody serious thread. Sure, Whelks "witch smeller" comment was unnecessary, and whilst I agreed largely with the relevant part of your post, your other point just inviting a row wasn't necessary either imo. I understand the sentiment though. There's nothing funny about your serious posts and I view those reactions, ditto th confused ones, as a reflection of those reacting.

"Only", no, but I have little doubt that it's a factor.

Indeed. France is a tinderbox at the best of times. He's got a tough job in balancing domestic and international politics. Sensible balance of words on this though imo.

His last para was unnecessary, but not the first.

Macron has essentially said that Israel have gone too far and need to stop. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/11/frances-macron-urges-israel-to-stop-bombing-and-killing-civilians-in-gaza

Proportionality

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I've had, i mean seen, worse

FFS. You can't help yourself can you. You've thrown labels, had a few nibbles back, been told off by teacher, then go again. Please just wind your neck in.

You really are. I think most in this thread have the morality, humanity, and mental bandwidth to see the broader picture, and not label people wrongly. Alas, you're not one of them. It makes discussion tiresome and pointless - I'll engage no more with you.

Yep. He needs to act quickly and decisively. He can't wait for the march to be a shit show and give her the bragging rights. He needs to act on her insubordination before the event.

Hypo, you're being a bit daft, or thick, or obtuse. I'm not wasting my day going round in ever decreasing circles with you.

You cannot possibly try to argue that you've chosen to substitute the word Jews with Israelis to support arguments, and at best implied that people are anti semitic. Using your own test for anti semitism, it's easy to see how you could attract the islamaphobic tag. For clarity, I'm not labelling you islamaphobic, but I can see why others may do so, particularly given the standards that you use to assess anti semitism. In short, if you don't want to be slapped, stop swinging.

You're getting confused by the motivation of the majority, and of the loon element. As Whelk says "I think people are getting a bit worked up and doesn’t look like the march has any sort of agenda to cause trouble".

On the insensitive part, I was speaking with someone this week. Ex forces and suffering acute PTSD from horrific events in Afghanistan. This time of year is horrendous for him - loud noises from fireworks evoke awful memories , and trigger his PTSD. Remembrance is massive for him as it's a time for him to recall (and to some extent re-live) the impact of his military service on his life and family, the loss of his friends and comrade, as well as those gone before whilst serving their nation. Understandably he considers remembrance a special day, and that it's disrespectful for it to be diluted. Listening to him, and feeling his pain, has changed my perspective on the sensitivity issue.

There'll be a loon fringe for sure with their own warped agenda's,but that doesn't alter the motivation of the vast majority of people going. The met have assessed it properly and come up with what I think is the right decision. Hopefully the idiots are kept in check.

I think it's the sheer scale of this in the context of the size of Gaza, the wider Israel/Palestine issue, and the extent of the media coverage. There's been too much focus on posters, not the posts. That doesn't make for healthy discussion.

How the fuck do I know. Anyways, there's no point trying to discuss anything with someone who gets confused by anything he doesn't agree with.

But presumably you agree with everything else SoG typed?