S-Clarke

90k a week is probably the main deciding reason to letting him go. We offered him a contract on significantly reduced terms, as you'd expect, but he wasn't having it as he was enjoying his 90k life. Then along come spurs offering him a tasty deal (80k I read) to be backup and it's a no brainer for him.

Did he actually say that? I've seen that thrown around and I'm assuming it's just a parody of him, he can't have actually said that...could he?

I never really saw what credentials Davis and even Fleming had to be coaches at PL level. Davis was an excellent club servant and undoubtably a great voice around the place, which is being missed, but his job was to coach the players not be the 'voice'. If there was another role he could have done I'd have been happy for him to stay on, but as a PL First Team coach I was never sure what he brought to the party.

Not at all, I want him gone as much as the next person but I could never accept a defeat. The best case scenario for me is a really poor/scrappy/backs against the wall win, with no tactical acumen on show. That prompts SR to get rid of him and we hire a new manager on the back of a win. I can but hope.

Apart from Bree and Bednarek. (I class Bednarek as a signing in this window)

As soon as you see Everton are second in that table you know it's a load of nonsense.

Looking at this financially, I could see us sitting on £100m+ of incoming transfer fees if we do sell the 'desirables'. KWP - still in contract until 2025, AT LEAST £20m I'd say - Spence went for 'up to' £24m, so he needs to be in and around that. JWP - Still in contract until 2026, AT LEAST £40m I'd say. Adams - Sought after by PL sides who already have a striker, only a year left on his deal so £10-15m I'd say. ABK - In contract until 2026, we'd make a profit - at least £20m. Or he may feel it's better sitting for a year. Salisu - We'd make a profit, but I think a min of 15-20m given he'd only have a year left. Lavia - In contract until 2026 - shown himself to be a superstar, if Chelsea were willing to splurge £50m in the summer I think we'd get similar levels of bids. See if we can pocket the cash and get a loan back for the season. That's ignoring potential sales of Stu, Orsic, Onachu, Sulamana, DCC etc - but alone the above gives us over £100m, plus all that saved in wages in players like Theo who leave. We 'should' have the scope with even half of that to build an incredibly exciting Championship team full of players who can grow and make the step up. That is in addition of us building around this summers recruits of Edozie, Bazunu, Larios, Mara, Alcaraz etc. 'Should' being the key word here, muck this summer up and we're toast for the foreseeable future.

I find it hard to even get behind these sort of threads, it just doesn't feel like it's worth the futile emotional rollercoaster we'd be putting ourselves through. Personally I think you should stick a fork in us, we're done. I cannot see how we overcome those above us. It's only Bournemouth and Everton who I look at and question squad wise, and they're already in the bottom 3 with us. Everyone else above (Leeds, WHU, Forest, Wolves, Leiecster) imo are levels above us in experience and quality and it's not even really a contest. For us it's a battle with Bournemouth to not finish 20th.

Let's not kid ourselves that he's only had a month. He has been here since the start of November, he had the entire WC break to mould and build whatever he wanted to do. We came out of that WC with our 'saving' run of fixtures, and we tossed them all away so he's pretty much relegated us. We are a lost cause and we're just prolonging the agony at the moment.

His Mother-in-Law?

Yeah, he did say that. Which as we knew was nonsense. Going by Orcic's instagram he was sat at home reading a book whilst we were getting bummed by Brentford with Elyounoussi playing. Good use of a new January signing.

rubbish, there was talk of protests at his first home game against Everton. There were chants for Adkins during the game against Everton. I don't remember either of those things occurring at Brighton with Jones. MP became popular because he won over fans with his aura and football, you could see after about 60mins v Everton that we looked better. That's what a capable manager can do, make a noticeable impact from the first game. All we've done under Jones is regress from a point we couldn't really regress from.

That right hand side is slow as all hell, you have to get pace in there without KWP.

Light and day. I think when Burnley appointed him in the summer there was a level of scepticism due to his lack of experience as a manager, but he removed any scepticism by his actions on and off the football field. What did we have Jones doing? Mic'd up on the training ground telling players to run harder, and then saying Romeo done. Kompany is a PL manager in waiting, he has that aura. Jones just doesn't have any sort of aura about him, I just don't see why we are prolonging this.

I notice the club have trotted Bree out to speak in support of the manager, that's not obvious at all is it? I'd have preferred to hear DCC talk about him.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here, are you Jones in/Jones Out or just trying to go with the unpopular opinion to stoke feeling? Ignore the views on this forum, it's a minority view in the main. When we appointed Jones I had many convos with guys in every day life and the 100% feeling at the time was scepticism but giving him a chance, as no one really knew much about him - that was the overriding emotion during the WC period, so he wasn't vilified from day one. There was rightfully scepticism in his appointment so as fans we were going to need some improvements or an identity change, and I don't think it's unreasonable to expect to see that in a block of fixtures against Brighton, Fulham, Forest, Everton, Villa and Brentford. All we have seen are defeats, confused performances and displays against Forest which just beggars belief. We have got worse and given where he was starting from it was almost impossible to achieve that, so credit him for that. He has done absolutely nothing to remove the scepticism in his appointment with the results, and even taking results out of the equation he has come across like a grade a prick and has not endeared himself to anyone associated with this club. He isn't supported by the fan base because he has alienated everyone with his actions.

I don't see a way back for him either, it just feels like we're delaying the inventible and it's just nonsense. The game against Brighton was terrible, Fulham had a slight uptick but we still lost, Forest - let's not go there, Everton was a fight back but no real outstanding aspects from the performance, Villa wasn't ''that'' bad but it was another loss, Brentford was disgustingly bad. When you listen to them speaking about improvements etc, there have been no improvements over a decent period - just regression. These were Jones comments after the Brighton game: "We've come here to change the aggression and change the dynamic to the football in terms of that but today we didn't," the Welshman said. "We wanted to be aggressive, we wanted to press high but we didn't do the basics well enough and when they got near our goal - which at times was far too easy - conceded poor, poor goals. Goals that should never have gone in. "If you don't defend the box well enough in the Premier League, you're going to struggle. They've only kept one clean sheet all season and that's something we have got to change." He's still saying the same today, almost 2 months on from that. When does it change Jones?

It's going to be cringe on all fronts come Saturday imo.

I think my hate of Matterface takes over on that one, can't stand his smug face.

The thing I keep going back to is the certain reference points thing, I appreciate what he means in that they have a wider context to look at, but surely the most important reference point of all is the league table and points on the board? Everything else is meaningless if the results aren't coming. I don't really understand that, I guess it's a way to quieten the supporters by inferring they know better - but actually we are the ones who see what really matters.

I 'think' it was referring to the managerial change at Goztepe.

This is the worry I have over the future decisions, as I said they've led chaos since the summer, not from a playing side just everywhere else. I know change will cause a bit of chaos, but a lot of what we've seen has been self inflicted thus far. So I'd say I'd be nervous, but also still have in the back of my mind that he did spot Thomas Frank and Dean Smith.

Absolutley, not all of them, but there are players still in and around the group who have struggled no matter who is in place. I have to include JWP in that as these struggles seem to follow him around, he's lacking something in his makeup which I think makes him struggle as the main man. Bednarek, Armstrong, Moussa, Elyounoussi, Adams, Perraud, Diallo - they've been associated with this shit for years, and it's not getting any better.

Nice to play a team you don't usually play, happy for this. Happy it's not a 'Jones' derby either, as it would be cringe for the entire build up. This is probably the best game for all concerned (A much lower league team as well)

I think at the time both Targett and Reed had players in front of them, quite a few in Reed's case. The club, and probably the players let's be fair, thought taking the money and letting them develop was the fair choice. Plus the money from Targett enabled us to sign Adams. The problem has been the recruitment, we didn't see either as first team players (and they weren't) when they left, and we didn't evolve the midfielders or Bertrands role anywhere near enough and we actually regressed. That's probably a combination of a lack of finances and poor scouting.