S-Clarke

It's a shame they didn't really perform with 4 at the back then isn't it, bar a purple patch. Not interested in their sob stories, they have been shit in a 3, 4 or 10 over the last however many years.

Personally I don't have any time for this (if the players are throwing their toys out). They have been SHIT for years, they are in no position to dictate anything. If this is true they need to STFU or get the hell out of my club, as they've stunk it out for years with their shitness.

They'll be patting themselves on the back when we bank a decent profit on him.

I hate those sort of snippets leaked from the club, along the lines of ''everyone internal is comfortable with the current situation'' ''we are relaxed'' etc etc etc. Nonsense bollocks that may have appeased a few people in the past, but it's wearing thin now. We have been a well run club in the past, and we did like to broadcast that fact, but there's no getting away that we are currently run pretty terribly and they are trying to make out to supporters that we are still well run. We're not.

That is exactly it. He's not what I'd call a world beater, so he's not at the level of a Gerrard or even a Rice who can pull a team through on his own, but he is decent in his own right if partnered with better players who allow him to do his role, rather than having to cover 50 different positions. JWP is the least of our worries. CM is a big issue for us, but we need to focus on adding better around him not 'selling him on' - that's not going to help us. The club have failed him this season more than anything by assuming he could perform that lynchpin role and totally undermining the protection a player such as Romeu actually provided.

It can't have been a footballing move, that's the only sense I can make of the Theo move. I think we brought him in with the hope he'd help us attract good young players/help mentor them and such. We might as well have just brought in a cheerleader to give them massages after every game.

The only guarantee you have with both of those guys is that they will spend a good % of the game on the floor after falling over or being outmuscled. I have no idea why we gave Moussa a new deal based on a few performances at LB, which isn't even his position. Those sort of decisions make me question the sanity of the people in control.

I wouldn't say battered, but they controlled the game and kept us at arms length for most of it. Sad to say but Brighton were in a different league in respect of how the passed and moved the ball, which allowed them to control the game. We couldn't get near them. It was only Brighton but they made it look like PL against Lower League at times - not through 'battering us' but through the sheer control they had over the ball. As soon as we got the ball we panicked, didn't know what to do, launched it long and that was that. On the few occasions we were able to get the ball to one of our players (i.e Moussa) their touch was so horrific that it went out for a throw. We really do have an incredibly limited team.

I don't think our players have the intelligence to do anything else. ''Oh a ball, let me pass it quickly to a player I can see. No idea if it's the best option''

This is what confuses me a little bit, the way we have played over previous years hasn't been consistent and we've had some horrendous runs, but there were always periods where we'd pickup and go again. We totally dumped that approach this season in favour of long ball. We are certainly more long ball than we have been for many years, and that seems to be the only tactic we have. Sadly when Adams is the focal point then we might as well just give the ball back to their GK every time to save his energy. A really peculiar change in approach given that we have no one suitable in the team to support that sort of game.

Because as depressing as it is to admit, he's much better than what we currently have available to us. Plus if we seem intent on playing long ball, we might as well go all-in and activate Burnley mode.

Playing Lynaco as front-sweeper to fill the Romeu void?

Saints in general are stuck in that period, we thought we'd cracked it as a club. Reality is that we just had a period of time where we got a bit lucky on a few fronts, similar to the time Brentford and Brighton are enjoying now. Not sustainable in any means for clubs of our size without substantial investment to stay there.

I guess we'll see in January. If SR wanted a striker, then I imagine they will personally spend that £30m in the first few days of January on someone they've hade lined up for months. But to me it feels like the usual club propaganda - ''we tried so hard, but just couldn't in the end''. Makes it look like there was money there etc, but actually the chance of us signing Gakpo was always pretty minimal to say the least. Look at Promes in that January window, ''we came so close, we tried so hard, ran out of time. We'll be back in during the summer'' etc etc. That obviously happened..!

Great moments, for real? I just remember misery, administration and the future of our club on an edge. I cannot remember any great moments.

To be honest these players have shown nothing over many years to be able to dictate the sort of manager they would 'listen to'. They need to STFU and get on with their jobs, because there are some players in that group who struggle to pass as professional footballers. They're the real problem here and always have been. I think Jones was an odd appointment, but calling for his head now is just going to create a toxic atmosphere when we don't need it.

I never buy this logic. Ask Stoke how they feel, it's a cesspit of a league when you're struggling. There is no guarantee that we'll go down there and have the fun we did in 2012. the 2008/9 ish period was pure misery, getting stuffed by 5 at Hull and Wednesday, getting turned over at home by Charlton etc. A truly miserable, miserable time. I can't think of anything worse, stuck in no mans land with your Lutons/Prestons/Birmingham's etc. Please don't bring that on.

From what I read this wasn't a quick fire decision, we looked at Jones in the summer as well. So he was clearly high on our list for quite some time. I don't watch enough of Luton to know what SR saw in him, but they must have seen something. I don't like the calling of his head though, 2 games in, I think that is just social media nonsense. He has been chosen and will be given the time, we don't know if it'll work out yet or if he was brought in too late to make any notable change. The last thing I want to see is us becoming a bat-shit crazy club like Watford, who sack their manager after they lose 1 or 2 games. We have to give them time and as painful as this all is to watch, we haven't given him any time yet. The reality is that the players aren't good enough though, so debating who should be manager seems a bit pointless as I can't see anyone getting much of a tune out of this rabble. Major surgery in January or it's curtains and I wouldn't blame NJ for that.

I feel sorry for Bazunu, but a few of us made the point a year ago - we needed to get the GK position right in the summer, we can't go with a Tino approach it needs to be someone proven. We went with the Tino approach. I have no problem signing someone like Bazunu and I see the logic, but we should have replaced Forster with a PL starting experienced GK. Pope was out there if we put our chips down early enough, cheaper than Bazunu believe it or not. That would have been a better environment for Bazunu to learn in if we went for both. This situation and current environment is probably going to erode any potential that Bazunu once may have had.

My 8/10 was too high, I wasn't happy with our lack of game changing forwards so in retrospect it should have probably been 5 or 6/10 at most. We made some good signings. Lavia, ABK - good players. I find it hard to hang out our summer signings as I saw the logic in them, but what I don't understand is why the club thought this would be an environment for them to flourish when we're still relying on Adam flaming Armstrong and Che Adams to score the goals. Lavia and ABK can do great things in their respective positions, but if you have our two 'strikers' fluffing in the 6 yard box and Diallo falling over on his arse exposing the back 4 then it's all a moot point really. I'm not sure Gakpo alone would have made all the difference, so he did well to dodge the bullet here. We're so short in CM, wide and ST for me. We'd struggle in the Championship with the options we have to play with there, that's the worrying thing and the club seem comfortable with that.

He's being hung out to dry a bit, but he is clearly good enough. He is playing alongside Diallo, I think the best CM's in the world would struggle to look good alongside that sack of shit. Central Midfield is such a crucial part of any team, JWP plays well in a pivot but to do that he needs a destructor next to him and someone of a level of ability in the 10's to feed the ball to, he has neither and this season he is caught in no mans land trying to run the midfield, provide physicality and drive forward. He's not an all rounder midfielder like that, never has been, so we're making him look worse as we're trying to get him to make up for our other shortfalls. Stick some better players around him and watch the difference. It doesn't even need to be a world-beater as Romeu showed, but just someone who can pass as a footballer.

I agree, we have spent money previously - we had a period of 3-4 windows where we had no pot to piss in, but prior to that Boufal,. Hoedt, Lemina, Carillo etc - big investments, and every single one failed and was given away for free at the end of their contract. That's where the problems started for me. I don't want to hang out the signings we made this summer, as they're punts and kids in the main - ABK and Lavia prove that there are some gems in there, and with game time maybe Edozie, Larios and Mara can produce similar. The problem we have this year is that our core experience was always absolutely horrendous, and we eroded that even more in the summer. (Losing Romeu for starters) We're trying to blood talented young players alongside the likes of Moussa, Diallo, Perraud, Adam Armstrong, Ely etc - it's just a recipe for disaster. The recruitment from the previous years has now caught up with us.

Goztepe are the bigger club anyway.

You've got to save the first one though, I'd expect a keeper in a Sunday league game to save that. It went through his hands like they were made of butter, his wrists were not strong enough at all. That isn't a goalkeeper being unlucky, that was an absolutely horrendous mistake at any level and is rightfully being called out. We can't carry someone who does shit like that.

Don't be so daft.