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Bugger I spent ages trying to get stoke tickets . No joy at all

there's a film on sky 1 you will appreciate pap k19 the widow maker . Or better still on another channel 24 hours in A&E or if you want true casualties then watch casualty

OSM Whatever the so called experts say on this forum and the ongoing debate on the subject........???????????? If your referring to me Im not an expert (Their people who read a book and spout off on tv or forums that they know every thing) on these matters. Im not I am some one who has been trained in dealing with such traumas and have experience intreating such injuries on a number of occassions. Equally until I left the services a couple of years ago I was part of the clinical facultly teaching and preparing our doctors and nurses and medics for deployment to op Telic and herrick in dealing with these incidents as well as a range of other medical conditions that present themselves during periods of conflict We used an organisation called amputees in action to replicate IED injuries etc. They are not done in a couple of minutes. as you imply. From an untrained eye some of you will think that the guy looks healthy. He dosent , what you dont know or understand is the Hypovalaemic the shock hes in My feeling the wheel chair was the only mode available at that precise time he was a T1 casualty so would have had priority , The lady you referer to I beleive was probably classified as a T2 T3 casualties and as the ambulances had just arrived close to the scene thenstrechers were available. There are no pictures present of where the family and that Young boy were killed, That has not been mentioned. I suspect they were first to be moved fro the scene. Re shielding the legs, the pictures lack clarity but you and pap are really barknig up the wrong tree.

Pap . I will post some pictures of real and false trauma cases I would be interested which ones you think are real and which are false . I will do this when I find the secret of posting pictures here . They may help you to wean yourself off the the Boston theory actors you appear to subscribe to . The pictures you so are just stills you do not hear the real screaming and anguish . That alone would connive you , after a blast there's a few seconds of silence followed by the tinkling of glass then the people start to scream and shout . It's quite a surreal moment of time .

Apologies Sergei I missed read your post as I took it. You were siding with pap. I have no Comment to make on the columbine attack as I don't have enough info

Sergei and PaP you are some real wind up merchants. I hope you guys are not being serious about the injuries. but if you are you really have warped minds. As for the blast wounds, I would suggest the combat medics who have had 1st hand experience of it, As someone has said you have know idea of dealing with blast wounds. I have. Some you get massive blood loss some its not straight away some times the wounds get cauterised by the explosion. Its possible quickclot was used. Someone may have clamped the artery. The guy is know doubt in hypovolaemic shock . I pretty sure the reason for moving the guy was because he would have classed as a T1 casuality. They would have moved him very very quickly so they could get a drip etc up and also incase there was a secondary device. But Im not here to talk about specific medical procedures. I could but I will not. One point you both fail to mention . are the injuries to all the others , All you are doing is focussing on one individual and are totally blinkered about the other injured and the three who died, There were others who also lost limpbs and have sharpnel inbedded in their brains. Please dont talk about conspiracies. Those injures are real. You should see the effects of nails and ball bearing that have been fired by an IED or any other crude explosive device. Please have respect for all those that either lost their life or have life threatening and life changing injuries. Do some research on the mother and sister of the young 8 year old who lost his life. See what injuries they sustained. It will show you out to be a total fool

PST and fans will enjoy the honeymoon period but im predicting it will end in an acrimonious divorce. back to the Proclaimers, they are releasing a revamp single now called **** of fratton park aka sunshine on leith My heart was broken, my heart was broken Sorrow Sorrow Sorrow Sorrow My heart was broken, my heart was broken While pompey are on this earth I will always support you While the PST, puts Sunshine On Fratton I'll thank them for their work And the begining of the new era

Some of what he says rings true pap however. I think he is a Waltermitty EMT As for it being a set up definitely not pap . It takes ages to set up a proper cas simulation double amputation . And I know what I'm talking about here . No way could that be put together in just a couple of minutes . The shot in the wheel chair shows lots of flaps of skin a torniquet is being used there are different types . The EMT in the picture is behind the wheel chair and has just arrived on the scene . In another picture he's slightly ahead of Carlos . The tourniquet is correctly applied .you do not remove a tourniquet once it is in place .there are rules on this but I will not bore you , The EMT in the later picture has been busy and they are rushing this guy to an ambulance . He may well have been given morphine or pethedine or what ever to ease the pain . The casualty looks calm but I think he is in a state of shock and maybe the real pain has not yet kicked in . You need to drop the conspiracy theory pap .

There's a term called bled out which is possible what happened to the this jeff fellow and his leg bled till such time as the tourniquet was applied. and he does have a tourniquet on His leg . You might want to visit this guardian site.http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/16/carlos-arredondo-hero-boston-marathon.i hadn't realised he got hold of the artery. Also look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Arredondo. I really think you are barking up the wrong tree re conspiracy theories pap

Pap you clearly don't know much about traumatic injuries and as Ottawa has said there will be a delay in bleedding . I'm not sure what the time frame the frames were taken . I guess split seconds . The one thing that I am curious about is the pictures where he is being pushed away in the wheel chair . I cannot see an effective tourniquet and I would have thought they would have put some form of dressing / splint on his legs to prevent infection and ease bleeding and the immense pain he would have had . There is no conspiracy pap . The terror on the faces of everyone in the shot is for real . But in your defence it is easy to firm a differing opinion from the rest of us .

Eurosaint Peterhead is also known for its fash fish to you and I

We are Southampton fans we love to ave a moan . I was worried about thus game but a point is a good point

Scottish Coal cuts 590 jobs at mines in Ayrshire, Lanarkshire and Fife . Spooky in the week they bury thatcher .

So the cheating c**** have got away with 10 points deduction this season by all accounts . What's the point in a deduction if it is not going to hurt . Can we sue the fa /fl for the way they treated us if the skates don't suffer .

Anna Thompson ‏@BBCAnnaT12m Okay I am going to open up the debate seen as that BBC woman has mentioned womens football. I see some english female equaled PETER Shiltons cap record and there were many saying she is a far better player than Peter shilton etc and more deserving of her caps.. Sorry there is no comparison bewtween mens football and womens football let alone a direct comparison with shilts. There are some women harking on about pay parity with premier league stars . If they were any good they would be selected for the Moan you , chelsea etc mens team ., Truth is they are no where near good enough for the recently relegated portsmouth league 3 team

VFTT Im sure though I have not checked that his name was mentioned in the saville thread. I think the only reason the beeb are announcing it is , becuase a newspaper has done so, Maybe the sun, to use it as a smoke screen against some of their employees who are currently in the news.

Just seen that to verbal News agency Associated Press is reporting that the Boston bomb suspects are from a Russian region near Chechnya, and have lived in the US for at least one year. That information is as yet unconfirmed

Bbc slow with this news going on about Rolfe Harris

I wonder if they are the two guys shown in a pictures on another link page on this thread . Someone suggested they were navy seals or security guys . Ones foriegn and the other white . One was wearing a white cap but carrying a rucksack the plot thickens

I wrote to the BBC. Nick knowles about helping a worthy cause re building Fratton park . He wrote back thanking me for my letter and that after consideration they have decided to re build the greater wall of china as it will be easier and quicker to complete . But thank you for your suggestion

Done

Just seen the news up date, where did the media get the idea 60 -70 were dead, its far far less than was reported earlier this morning, still a terrible accident all the same.

The Waco one has killed 60 to 70 . There conspiracy theorists will be have a field day discussing That explosion . Seems like some fire crews have been badly his as has been a care home . I hope it's an accident and not another terrorist atrocity other wise America will go into lock down and the media over here will pull in an army of experts to give their take on that explosion caused by a fire

Pap I have. Never said anyone was arrested . Sky news at 4am this morning had on their ticker tape that the FBI had Identifeid suspect . I have no idea who did it . Looking at those pictures it looks like more than one person s involved . I don't think the two guys in black jackets had anything to do with it . I think they are security men . Why are so many folk carrying computer like rucksacks .