AwaySaint1

I think you need to learn to count

Nick I apologies for my post above,thought it was the normal TSW sarcasm at play. Like you say its your choice and I respect that,although I do wonder how much longer the remaining few will bother turning up. You are either bloody mad and stupid or a real fan,who knows?

Is that aimed at me or the other 20,000 ex fans? Grow up and find something better to do on a Saturday mate;)

Does anyone know of an online bookmaker that will take a bet on our first league game sub 10,000 gate ? I think I need to get a bet on sooner rather than later.

LOL you are kidding right? I will tell you how bad we are,I have sky sports and setanta but Saturday I never even turned over to see the game. I just noticed the result while reading BBC news online about 10pm. I have had a season ticket every season since 1978,UNTIL THIS SEASON!!!! I used to see us play this level for free at Staplewood on a Tuesday night.

SFC will live on. Its just SLH that will die.

SHHHHH! dont say anything about Asian investment please,its still at an early stage,I even had to remove my Indian flag Avator!

Sorry you have lost me?

Because its £5 that could be given to sfc instead;)

OUCH!! was that your toy that has just hit me on the head LOL.

Minty nobody is complaing as far as I am aware,Its just that Paypal hides subsciptions and makes it a little hard to cancel without my userguide as Stanley has proven above. I would hate members to still be paying in the future if they no longer visit the forum.

I am sure we have a few users who think that the benefit of starting a thread is not worth the £5 subscription per year. If you dont cancel your subscription then it will be taken without you knowing until its to late to get a refund as THIS SITE DOES NOT GIVE REFUNDS! So how to make sure you can still start threads until your 12 month full membership expires: 1. Log into PayPal 2. Click "History" 3. Select "Subscriptions" from the "Show:" drop-down box. 4. You may need to select a longer timeframe from the "For:" drop-down box if you have had your account longer than a month. Try selecting "Past Year". 5. Press submit. 6. You should see an entry called "Subscription Creation" with "SaintsWeb Ltd" in the "Name/Email" column. There will be a link in the "Status" column that tells you the status of the subscription. If it says "Active", click it. 7. Click the button that says "Cancel Subscription" and follow the remainder of the steps. This will stop any future payments from being sent to SaintsWeb Ltd but not close your SaintsWeb Ltd account. When your account expires, it will revert to a registered user who is still able to read all threads and post 3 times a day. Could this be a sticky please mods.

Did we do a rendition of 2-0 and you f*cked it up ?

The away win bonus should cover it.

From a disgruntled Liverpool fan: Anfield is our home. It always has been and always will be. No matter what this new ground is going to be called, it'll still be built in Anfield, in the shadow of our shrine, but it'll never be Anfield. It could have the best facilities in world football, the greatest comfort available for football fans anywhere, with great sight-lines and superb facilities for hospitality. But it won't be a football ground. You only have to visit The Emirates to realise that. Maybe I'm stuck in the dark ages and scared of moving on, but give me an Anfield, a Goodison Park or an Elland Road over an Emirates, a Wembley or a Riverside Stadium any day of the week. Proper football grounds with character. Stadiums that induce an atmosphere and allow passion and raw support to roll down from the stands. Homes designed to accommodate supporters, and not just spectators. The new grounds popping up around the country these days may have no obstructed views, lots of leg room and plenty of refreshment bars; but are they geared towards the traditional football supporter? The man that likes to stand with his friends, sing and support his side like decades gone by? Creating the atmosphere's that made English football the envy of the world? Not even close. For me, things have gone way too far, with everything now geared towards those looking to sit and sample the atmosphere, rather than contribute to it. So what happens when the fans that used to create that atmosphere can no longer do so? How much of the attraction for the spectator then disappears? The English game and support is already a mere shadow of its former self. How much longer can the regression go on before the spectators replacing the supporters also start to turn their backs on the game? Another striking point from the past decade or so; how many clubs that have moved into new stadiums have actually progressed as a club? How many clubs have been taken to the next level through building a new stadium? I'm struggling. The likes of Southampton and Coventry are now playing lower league football in half empty stadiums with not even half the atmosphere of The Dell or Highfield Road. Ayesome Park and Roker Park used to have a brilliant atmosphere. They were proper football grounds. Just like the Victoria Ground at Stoke, and Maine Road in the middle of Moss Side. They all had character and were unique to the area and the club. They were home to each of those clubs and that in itself encouraged a different atmosphere from the sanitised version within all of their replacement bowls. It's as if one company has the monopoly on new stadium design and construction. Each club come to them with an order, they update the previous design with different colour seats and sell it again. They must be making a fortune. Indentikit stadia popping up all over the country, with different colour seats the only way to tell them apart. I can't stand them, and it frightens the life out of me to imagine Liverpool having to play in a red version. Maybe a large version of The Riverside or Stadium of Light? Shudder. Cardiff beat Leeds in the FA Cup a number of years ago, when Leeds were top of The Premiership and one of the best sides in Europe. They were intimidated by an electric atmosphere and beaten by a side of relative mediocrity. The intimidation factor did go beyond what some would deem as acceptable at the end of the game, but during those 90 minutes, it frightened the life out of those Leeds players. Could you imagine a repeat when Cardiff move to their new soulless bowl next year? Me neither. I went to The Emirates for our first game at the new ground a few years ago, biting my lip and paying the £46. I had to go there at least the once didn't I? Never again. Walking up to the ground it looks like a spaceship planted in the middle of north London. I felt like I was going to an NFL game, it just didn't have that football ground feel to it. On going up to my seat in the away end, I found a seat twice the size of one I'd seen in any other ground, and padded with leather. Leather seats in the away end; what's that all about? We stand all game anyway and never once use the seat provided, but since when have away enclosures had leather seats? I still can't get my head around that one. It's just not right. It's not football. Once again, everything geared towards fans turning up, sitting in comfort with a good view of the pitch, and going home afterwards after enjoying a pleasant game of "soccer". It's spectator heaven. A supporters nightmare. The Arsenal home support has completely changed since their move from Highbury. Whereas they used to have a good few thousand in the Clock End next to the away fans that stood and sang, as well as pockets of others around the 38,000 capacity stadium, they're now all but diluted amongst a swarm of "new fans" at their new home. It's absolutely killed their support, who are now an army of fans that chant "who are ya" after every goal. Identikit fans. I feel sorry for the traditional support they have left that have been completely overwhelmed with the move. But as long as the club are making more money hey? The Emirates reminds me of our Anfield Road End. A sea of this new brigade that just attach themselves to one club, but all behave in exactly the same way. They dress the same, decked out in whatever garbage the club is selling that year and do exactly as they're told. Look at last night; the place was half empty with a few minutes to go, when 4-2 up against their biggest rivals. Why would you leave early when winning in your derby? Surely anyone with an ounce of feeling for the club would be in there celebrating? It frightens the life out of me when I imagine the new Anfield going the same way as The Emirates, or an expansion of the current Anfield Road End. The invasion of new fans taking over from the great unwashed that can no longer afford it has already diluted the current Anfield. Another 25,000 of these turning up over night gives me the shakes. When I hear the new ground being referred to has having superb sight-lines and allowing supporters to watch the game in the greatest comfort anywhere in world football I feel like throwing myself off a bridge. That's ok for the posh seats down the side where you can charge a premium to those that want them; but do the people running our clubs and designing these stadia really believe that's what supporters want behind the goal? If so, then welcome to the next step in the sanitisation of our once great game. Look around Europe each week, and you will see fanatics behind each goal supporting their teams. A show of colour and noise from a group of fans that mirror what our grounds used to be like 20 years ago. They used to envy the support seen in grounds around England, whereas now they are laughing at us. Our game has become sanitised with the all-seater ruling, no standing, no swearing, and I'm half expecting a no singing rule to follow. The authorities in charge of our game want us to turn up, watch the game and go home, even designing the new stadia to suit their agenda. Playing music over the PA for fans to sing along to. Handing out scarves and flags for fans to wave. It's all so false, it's embarrassing, and it's also a telltale sign that things have already gone to far; that clubs have to go to these lengths to try and manufacture some sort of atmosphere. When will the penny finally drop and the real reasons for the decline in our atmosphere be addressed? Expecting fans to pay an average of £40 a ticket week in week out, especially in the current financial climate, just cannot be sustained. More and more people are being priced out of the game, with the vast majority of those people being the ones that will contribute to the atmosphere. All of whom are being replaced by fans turning up expecting to be entertained. Only there's soon going to be nobody left to entertain them. Something has to give eventually. The 45,000 that Anfield currently holds is more than enough. Do we really want to build a 70,000 seater stadium that will kill of our support, as well as kill of the club itself when it's half empty and not paying for itself? So much for the extra revenue it was supposed to deliver. There'll be no corporates wanting to be entertained if there's nothing left to entertain them. Maybe I am stuck in the dark ages and trying to cling to something that's not actually there anymore? But I'll bet there's a good few thousand like me at every club around the country thinking the same way. Well done in ruining our game.

I thought BWP was more of a mans man than a ladies man?

The parachute money is to help relegated clubs with huge wage bills to downsize,not to spend on trying to gain promotion back to the premiership.

LOL and people have gone out in the rain and cold to see this lot play? I am sure they would still turn up if we fielded 11 bin bags blowing around the pitch.

Thats the only thing on this forum today that has made me smile. The memory of Ron at the Dell.

Well as long as a "lot of you keep going" we will not go into administration will we?

What a waste of bandwith.

Racist threads.

Truth is you seemed to be the only one who complained,the other 500 reads that the thread had never had a problem. Cyber ping pong is not my game just as being a season ticket holder is not. For that reason I am out.

Pancake you want me to insult you? Try this one: GET OUT MORE YOU SAD B*ST*RD! You spend 90% of your free time talking to 14 year old boys on internet forums. I bet you have an x-box and enjoy playing racing games?

Posh insults dont cut it in my part of the woods. You trying to sound intelegent makes you come across like Lowe. No wonder you are defending his posting mates. I am sorry but in my eyes anyone who can manage nearly 6,000 posts on a new forum like yourself can have no grip on the real world and is best left alone and not replied to.