shurlock

Glad to see you’re backtracking from your original claim that “the UK public are more than happy to carry on with Brexit”. Though it would appear you still don’t get it.

You’re asking questions nobody is seeking the answers to. Nice try.

If you can’t work out why the PM personally intervening in a dispute after the US slaps prohibitive tariffs on a company that is one of NI’s largest employers while Brexiteers are telling us that the world outside the EU is full of opportunity for free trade is not relevant to this thread, then I suggest you take a breather. Never mind this is only adding to the uncertainty that NI already faces over a possible hard border as a result of Brexit. Anyway, I’m sure, deep down, you know all this and realise you made a tit of yourself. You just can’t come out and say it.

Care to show me where I said that or respond to my earlier post where I explained the logic of voting Conservative or Labour? You obviously can’t, can you . Better luck next time little fella.

So you have no response to my earlier post except to whine. FFS pal, if you were any dumber, you’d need watering twice a week.

You were making two different points - whether or not mental illness plays a role in terrorist murders (which is the point Bexy originally made and you responded to) and whether or not the Las Vegas shooting was an act of terrorism (as far as I can tell Bexy didn’t wade in on this question). I suggest that people interpreted your post as claiming that mental illness was marginal to terrorism, as demonstrated by Hypo’s moronic little meme and his subsequent posts, among others.

Don’t really buy this. Not sure how much you can infer from your IRA example, assuming it’s correct. The IRA was largely motivated by very material and political grievances over land in much the same way as the Palestinians are in the occupied territories. ISIS, by contrast, is a millenarian cause with an apocalyptic worldview - one that is likely to attract a certain type of adherent that the IRA wouldn’t have done, even in its violent heyday. Second, even within the same organisation, the psychological makeup and predisposition of a terrorist is found to vary systematically by the role that he or she plays. Being a bomb-maker is different from being a bomb-planter; going to fight overseas is not the same as carrying out attacks on the homeland; or against particular targets e.g. festivals and pop concerts; being a terrorist organiser or financier is different from being a gunman; being a gunman, in turn, is different from being a suicide bomber or a terrorist murderer who can see the whites of his victims eyes; being a lone-wolf is different from being a group-actor and so on. In short, demonstrating that Gerry Adams was psychologically stable doesn’t prove that others in the IRA were also psychologically stable. Third it’s a fallacy to claim that because you can say why you’re committing a certain act or in whose name you’re committing it, you have no mental issues. The mentally ill can come up with the most elaborate, internally consistent explanations for their behaviour. It appears you’re confusing mental illness with insanity. Needless to say terrorism and radicalisation have multiple explanations. They certainly can’t be reduced to mental health -no pun intended that’s batshît crazy. But nor is it irrelevant - indeed you clearly understate it’s importance. If you don’t believe me, ask the Chief Constable who heads up the Prevent programme. Sorry if that doesn’t fit your or others prejudices. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/may/20/police-study-radicalisation-mental-health-problems Where I do agree is in avoiding the temptation to call mass murders like the Las Vegas shooting an act of terrorism. It doesn’t appear to have been justified by a cause or ideology separate from the act itself, though doubt that makes much of a difference to the victims or their friends and families.

Your opinion isn’t worth much then. In case you didn’t know, the UK’s first-past-the-post-system makes it very difficult for third parties like the Lib Dems (and UKIP) to thrive. There’s even a principle, Duverger’s Law, in recognition of this brute fact. Remain voters knew this -and in the absence of overcoming the mother of all coordination problems, understood that any vote for the Lib Dems would have been wasted: worse it would have split the progressive vote. Better to vote for a party like Labour that made more moderate, if muddled noises about Brexit, especially in constituencies where the MP was an enthusiastic Remainer than give the Tories and the extremist wing a clean mandate. Where it was a two-horse race, Lib Dem leaflets urged supporters to do the same. Criticising Remainers who voted Tory is far too simple: what happens if your MP is Ken Clarke, Anna Soubry, Nicky Morgan, Dominic Grieve, prominent Europhiles who have been forceful in scrutinising Brexit. They are as, if nor more valuable than Labour MPs as their views are more likely to resonate with more passive Tory colleagues who basically think the same and collectively they have the capacity to bring down the government. Voting tactically in an imperfect system has many dimensions - seemingly beyond your grasp - never mind that elections bundle many different policy issues, making it ridiculous to extrapolate from vote share and hold it up as unambiguous support for or opposition to any one issue.

Not part of the FLA pal? It's international week after all.

Always a silver lining... https://rochdaleherald.co.uk/2017/10/05/britons-get-easy-sex-brexit-whole-world-lines-screw-us/

Are you still pursuing that moronic line of argument?

Did he get 'triggered'?

Oh dear, Yahya. You do realise that net trade has been subtracting from -rather than adding to the UK’s growth rate since the depreciation of sterling? You also realise that during this period, export values have been increasing faster to the EU than non-EU countries? You also realise that since depreciation growth in manufacturing output has not been particularly strong compared to other countries -many of whom have not seen their currency depreciate? Never mind the basic fallacy that growth in manufacturing output or exports results in higher employment given the role of automation and ongoing productivity improvements. No wonder, Les laughs at you.

Now that it appears members of the WTO will look to get it’s pound of British flesh, including Friends of the Commonwealth, should we leave the WTO too, Balders?

Cant wait for that ‘beautiful’ UK-US trade deal - Trump has our back. https://www.ft.com/content/92bb5636-a95b-11e7-ab55-27219df83c97

Les Tender didn’t have much of a clue. Even suggested I was cherrypicking figures.

How many times have I previously linked to him? From memory, I think I've only linked to a video once, maybe twice. I've never cited or referred to him outside that in any post. Some cheerleader pal. And I've only ever linked to him - not because I find him particularly interesting or persuasive (perhaps you do and you're projecting, who knows) but because he has some utter prize plums on air who could be dismissed as simpletons if only I didn't hear the same c**p repeated by brexiteers more generally. Better luck next time, Balders.

https://www.ft.com/content/768843e8-a839-11e7-93c5-648314d2c72c Worth noting that these downgrades have less to do with a revision of the impact of Brexit than a reassessment of productivity growth but nonetheless relevant as kippers on here continuously ignore the importance of productivity when they celebrate the strength of the UK economy. Indeed some have even suggested the UK doesn’t have a productivity problem.

Couldn’t give two f**cks about O’Brien. Just find it amusing that you all spout the same memes and tropes not to mention your previous meltdown about the wiping the floor with JOB If you don’t know the difference between the views expressed at a debate inside the European Parliament and official EU policy, you’re even more clueless about the EU than I thought.

Corbyn and co. must be on cloud nine after party conference season. By the way, Simon Brodkin is an unfunny little twät. Eddie Mair on fire again.

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/caller-angry-at-eus-response-to-catalonia-cant-ans/ Sounds like your muddled line of thinking Balders. Of course, you would have fared much better what with your school debating trophies and experience giving keynote industry speeches...

Jumping to conclusions again pal

Had people been awake at the time of the shooting, they would have been speculating till the cows come home. This thread is a sterling testament to that. #notoneofthosebhuddistshooters #nothingtodowithislam

Wonder what would have happened had we refused to sell him to the scousers. Arguably one reason why we parted on happy terms is that we were less fussed about keeping him, unlike Lallana, for example.