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Not always true. Countless research shows that money is a contributor but if it were purely money everyone would be a banker and there would be no nurses. Not after a philospohical debate, but what often happens when pople are unhappy is they look for a reason and a way to change and they pick on money as it's the obvious thing they see - what they don't see is lack of respect, lack of support, poor motivation, lack of recognition. These are things the human mind struggles to visualise. Why should football managers be any different? Why does a manager need 300k when he's on 220k, for example? Like I said, who knows the real motivations involved, what we do know is the turnover figure is way too high for any business and suggests an endemic problem.

Not always true. Countless research shows that money is a contributor but if it were purely money everyone would be a banker and there would be no nurses. Not after a philospohical debate, but what often happens when pople are unhappy is they look for a reason and a way to change and they pick on money as it's the obvious thing they see - what they don't see is lack of respect, lack of support, poor motivation, lack of recognition. These are things the human mind struggles to visualise. Why should football managers be any different? Why does a manager need 300k when he's on 220k, for example? Like I said, who knows the real motivations involved, what we do know is the turnover figure is way too high for any business and suggests an endemic problem.

The two are not mutually exclusive are they. If RL wouldn't sanction spending needed to move forward... it's an age old story.

The two are not mutually exclusive are they. If RL wouldn't sanction spending needed to move forward... it's an age old story.

Surely to goodness there were enough people around who saw this? The blokes who posted on the bluebirds site for starters... And if people were in the CA drinking when a game was on, they must be locals. No doubt there are different stories and it doesn't sound like the intention was to floor the poor fella but just come forward and save us all grief and money, for gawd's sake.

Surely to goodness there were enough people around who saw this? The blokes who posted on the bluebirds site for starters... And if people were in the CA drinking when a game was on, they must be locals. No doubt there are different stories and it doesn't sound like the intention was to floor the poor fella but just come forward and save us all grief and money, for gawd's sake.

People leave jobs all the time citing money and personal reasons, but really it's because they are unhappy for one reason or another. Do you think if WGS had been given £10m to spend he'd have hopped off for that operation? Me neither... But no-one knows. My point is you cannot rotate through so many managers and just say that every time if was the manager's doing. That is just being blind to an underlying problem either of selection or management.

Nick, you'll never know their real motivations. But when a business has staff turnover so high in a key position it ceases to the fault of those in that position. That's true of any business, it must be true of ours. WGS ever have that operation?

Happy people tend to quit less than unhappy ones in my experience Nick. Yes, LC was no better and bizarrely made the same mistake as his nemisis. But I'm no fan of either. I am a fan of appointing someone with a good business brain who understands football: how to run a club, whom to staff it with and when and how to support them.

To lose one manager is careless, to lose 13...

Then we agree at last!

Get a grip mate - diazepam, alcahol, whacky-backy... take your pick. No rants, just plain questions which you don't appear to be able to answer. Your line sounds like the government - it was all someone else's fault. All of the arguments in support of Lowe don't add up. Hell, even I wanted to give the guy a chance when he came back but look at the state we're in. How can you keep extending him rope when he's hanging the lot of us? Ok, for the last time - but this is it: 1. Forget relegation - hard to, since IT is the root cause of our financial plight. Yes usually managers get the blame. But when you have been through 10 in 10 seasons and 3 in one season... You don't lay that at Lowe's door?? In which case, whose fault was it, the bogeyman? 2. The share price - collapsing because of the 'depression'. Sure. I see Astra Zeneca's market capitalisation has halved too...oh wait... no it hasn't... Just the banks which have been equally appallingly run... 3. The JP experiment was a good thing/necessary?? How? 4. Pearson wanted to go? Was too expensive? Hmmm. Says whom? Even if he was, why appoint a totally unproven nonentity from Holland with the equivalent of Blue Sq experience? Why not relent and understand that MANAGERS make football clubs not Chairman or boards, good m-a-n-a-g-e-r-s... not rocket science... Why not appoint Nick Holmes? He has the same qualification as JP (a man I actually liked a great deal). Oh I'm bored now, I feel like I'm talking to my nephew with a broken vase in his hand telling me it leapt off the shelf and landed on the floor already broken, and that his drop-kick from the hallway simply hit it on the way down...

These are crazy arguments that effectively say - "Lowe has failed mutliply but let it go and let him have another crack..." Tell me, of all the people in the world who have experience of SUCCESS in business and in football, what is your motivation for sticking with someone who doesn't? Ignore the share price - not his fault. Ignore relegation - not his fault (despite the other one looming). Ignore the managerial turnover and failure to retain a man who is now proving himself adept at management... Come off it. I don't need to prove anything. You need to demonstrate what he has DONE and WILL DO that means we should be retaining his services. You dismiss facts with such casual abandon. Are you a member of the Sweeney or Labour party by any chance?

True.

I actually think it could signpost that we are heading for admin. It would be very bad form to solicit income if you were about to go belly up...

Firstly, I'm a grown man running a business. I have no view of him as being a charicature. If you want a debate on salient points let's have one. I didn't accuse you of being a 'Lowe luvvie' I'd be grateful if you'd extend me the same courtesy. The initial cause of our financial problems was not the economy but relegation from the Premiership for which Lowe must be accountable - that's the essence of being in charge of a business. From there, I agree that last season decisions were clearly taken that affected the finances. To what degree we do not know. Many of those decisions were taken by Michael Wilde who is equally as culpable as Lowe in our current situation. What we do know is this: 1. They discarded with the services of a manager who is currently top of the league below us. 2. They appointed and espoused a new revolutionary coaching set up which has failed. 3. They have and continue to alienate a large number of paying customers. 4. Financially they have presided over a collapse in share value and income. All of these are beyond dispute. If Lowe is modelling us on Arsenal, perhaps he would care to recognise that their success is down (and has been ascribed by the board to) ARSENE WENGER and his tenure at the club. I think while he has been there was have been through 13 managers, but do correct me... I broadly concur that if we escape this season with survival financially and in the league it will be considered a success - but ONLY because that is the picture painted for us by a far from transparent board. And because the hole into which we managed to dig ourselves under Lowe's choice of manager in JP, is so deep we will be lucky to escape alive.

Derby for £5? The worst sale ever... have you been there????!!!!

Er, so we are to congratulate Lowe for taking us closer to relegation out of the Championship than we have been in our history because he 'learned' that JP wasn't up to the job, and has now discovered that a blend of experience and youth are better than youth alone... right. You'll forgive me if I don't congratulate the man who set fire to my house if he throws a bucket of water in its general direction as he runs away... Why did Lowe not work with Pearson? Why did he have to try an approach to football that has never been tried in this country? Why do WE have to be different? What's wrong with looking at the most successful clubs in the world and trying to emulate them, rather than wanting to change football and suffering in the process? What happened to the revolutionary approach, btw? You have to face facts. Rupert offered us Betamax and the world chose VHS. And I'm far from as vociferous a critic as some. Here are some real undsisputed facts: 1. Share price halved. 2. Crowds down. 3. Income down. 4. Worst home record ever. 5. Inside the relegation zone. And that's before we start on customers protesting to have him removed... Hardly grounds for champagne celebration...

One thing he has to work on is shooting accuracy. According to the programme on Saturday he has had 94 shots this season... Blake has had 53 and scored 23 odd goals!!!

Groslly unfair, he was everywhere yesterday. A really good hard-working performance.

With all due respect, Wright under Pearson was a different player. That's the point. As for Euell - did we really ever see the best of a fit Euell? As for Stern John, he kept us up. I agree that seeing some of the young lads has been a real pleasure. But not seeing them go from confident to demoralised hasn't. Thank God we realised, but probably too late.

Several youth players have had their careers put back. Several older players wasted half a season being paid to play X-box. We spunked money on more bad loans than Fred Goodwin. We will probably end up in league One. But yes, there were positives from the Poortvliet fiasco - remind me what they were again??

This was simple for me. If you run a business and you need sales, you don't fire your salesman and keep the cleaner, accountant, receptionist, driver, filing clerk, etc. And above all, you don't draw a salary yourself or draw one for some other people who hang around the boardroom. Which of our inglorious leaders sacrificed their salaries to keep a striker scoring goals at the club??

I think Steve that this is what most of the moderates are saying and not as claimed. The pros last year looked jaded under Burley and D&G, but under Pearson suddenly found a new appetite for the game, even if he was trying to right a listing ship. To then jettison them as Lowe and Poortvliet did - trying to force them out of the club - was a mistake of massive proportions and one that I maintain will probably still result in our relegation. It's tantamount to criminal negligence and at best was hopelessly misguided.

We simply have to shut out everyone else and win every week. Sounds easy doesn't it... lol.